From uilliam at shaw.ca Fri Dec 7 00:57:10 2007 From: uilliam at shaw.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Uilliam_mac_Ail=E9ne_mhic_Seamuis?=) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:57:10 -0800 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] [antir-heralds] Heraldic display and Images In-Reply-To: <4758105F.1000108@telus.net> References: <684D1C82-A3CD-11DC-BEC8-003065A30344@shaw.ca> <4758105F.1000108@telus.net> Message-ID: <47589A66.8040405@shaw.ca> Judy Harcus wrote: ...[Arcturan Mega-Snip (tm)] > There is no heraldry for their Tanist and ban-Tanist. > > Alicia Though we should consider it. I gots an idea... Uilliam TAYUFATCDH -- "Take sides! Always take sides! You may sometimes be wrong - but the man who refuses to take sides must *always* be wrong! Heaven save us from poltroons who fear to make a choice!" R.A. Heinlein, "Double Star" -- Main homepage: http://members.shaw.ca/fog.locker/ SCA homepage: http://members.shaw.ca/uilliam/ LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/jackytar/ From nomad at castle.org Fri Dec 7 01:48:14 2007 From: nomad at castle.org (Lee Damon) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:48:14 -0800 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] [antir-heralds] Heraldic display and Images In-Reply-To: <47589A66.8040405@shaw.ca> References: <684D1C82-A3CD-11DC-BEC8-003065A30344@shaw.ca> <4758105F.1000108@telus.net> <47589A66.8040405@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <4758A65E.4080704@castle.org> There is heraldry for them. It's called differencing. The heirs would use the armory of the current nobility differenced with a label. It would be really cool (and a Good Thing) if we could follow period practice for this. Christopher Black Lion Uilliam mac Ail?ne mhic Seamuis wrote: > Judy Harcus wrote: > > ...[Arcturan Mega-Snip (tm)] > >> There is no heraldry for their Tanist and ban-Tanist. >> >> Alicia > > Though we should consider it. I gots an idea... > > Uilliam > TAYUFATCDH > From uilliam at shaw.ca Fri Dec 7 04:35:57 2007 From: uilliam at shaw.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Uilliam_mac_Ail=E9ne_mhic_Seamuis?=) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:35:57 -0800 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] [antir-heralds] Heraldic display and Images In-Reply-To: <4758A65E.4080704@castle.org> References: <684D1C82-A3CD-11DC-BEC8-003065A30344@shaw.ca> <4758105F.1000108@telus.net> <47589A66.8040405@shaw.ca> <4758A65E.4080704@castle.org> Message-ID: <4758CDAD.5080905@shaw.ca> Lee Damon wrote: > There is heraldry for them. It's called differencing. The heirs would > use the armory of the current nobility differenced with a label. > > It would be really cool (and a Good Thing) if we could follow period > practice for this. > > Christopher Black Lion Stop reading my mind, dammit. :-D Uilliam -- "Take sides! Always take sides! You may sometimes be wrong - but the man who refuses to take sides must *always* be wrong! Heaven save us from poltroons who fear to make a choice!" R.A. Heinlein, "Double Star" -- Main homepage: http://members.shaw.ca/fog.locker/ SCA homepage: http://members.shaw.ca/uilliam/ LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/jackytar/ From tierna.britt at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 06:36:24 2007 From: tierna.britt at gmail.com (Britt) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:36:24 -0800 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] [antir-heralds] Heraldic display and Images In-Reply-To: <47589A66.8040405@shaw.ca> References: <684D1C82-A3CD-11DC-BEC8-003065A30344@shaw.ca> <4758105F.1000108@telus.net> <47589A66.8040405@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <232740310712062236x201d53u906f8c08e3282a2a@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 6, 2007 4:57 PM, Uilliam mac Ail?ne mhic Seamuis wrote: > Judy Harcus wrote: > > ...[Arcturan Mega-Snip (tm)] > > > There is no heraldry for their Tanist and ban-Tanist. > > > > Alicia > > Though we should consider it. I gots an idea... > > Uilliam You can't. ------------------------------- >From Laurel: Devices for Consorts and Royal Heirs This month we were called upon to reflect on the SCA's policy of registering devices for a consort (either for a kingdom or a princpality), or for royal heirs apparent (also for a kingdom or principality). We have no evidence of a real-world consort having arms that differed from her husband's (except for marshalling). We likewise have no evidence of an heir apparent having arms that were not a differenced version of the arms of their parent, except for marshalling, and for fiefs that the heir apparent might have had (such as the Dauphin?, ruled by the dauphin, the heir to the French throne). The practice of registering devices for the consort and heirs is falling out of favor in the SCA in general. Some of the newer kingdoms have not registered devices for their consorts and their heirs. We applaud the trend to a more period practice with regards to arms, or lack of separate armory for the consort and heirs. Because the SCA device is parallel to real-world practices for arms, the SCA shall no longer register devices for consorts or for heirs to a kingdom or principality after July 2004. Under this decision, consorts in kingdoms or principalities without consort's arms may use the undifferenced kingdom arms, and kingdoms may elect to allow both heirs to the throne to display the kingdom arms differenced by a label or other standard mark of cadency. This matches some period armorial display for royal arms. Kingdoms and principalites that currently have arms registered for the consort or heirs may submit changes to the registered armory via the application of the grandfather clause. We shall require a poll of the populace showing support for changes to the armory. Note that this poll has not previously been explicitly required for the armory of the heirs apparent, but it seems appropriate to require such a poll, which is already required for consorts. Kingdoms and principalities that currently have arms registered for the consort or heirs are encouraged to consider following period practice and to discontinue the use of the armory. [12/03, CL] ------------------------------------- - Teceangl From cameronfamily3 at juno.com Fri Dec 7 01:59:36 2007 From: cameronfamily3 at juno.com (cameronfamily3 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 01:59:36 GMT Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] [antir-heralds] Heraldic display and Images Message-ID: <20071206.175936.11704.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Mmm, yes, you probably should consider it; since I've been hearing for at least five years now that Tir Righ would most likely break off and form its own kingdom in five to ten years. It certainly would make sense administratively (although I do most sincerely hope that we could go on playing with all our lovely northern friends), and when The Day arrives, it would not be a bad thing for the heraldic community to be able to pull a buncha possible designs out of their hats for consideration. It's not like we lack the talented people to do that . . . and Uilliam says he awready gots a idea. Havoise _____________________________________________________________ Click to find airline tickets for your next trip. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nMQle6jD3grSUYXJtc2q23IR0AtwnGi8KVZtNbm12iA48PC/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: