From cocinera at shaw.ca Mon Jul 23 10:55:04 2012 From: cocinera at shaw.ca (Rosemary Underhill) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:55:04 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Reports Message-ID: <9BE910D6FB324322886C8B5A73421EC0@Hermione> Greetings good Heralds: Just a friendly reminder that Heraldic Reports are due by the end July . If you have any questions, please ask. Hope you are having a great tourney season. Heraldically yours, Theocharista Doukaina Heraldic Reporting Deputy Tir Righ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdharcus at telus.net Mon Jul 23 18:57:00 2012 From: jdharcus at telus.net (Judy Harcus) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:57:00 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Congratulations to Caitrina (former Silver Yale) Message-ID: <500E00EC.7070505@telus.net> At Coronation this weekend, Caitrina inghean Aindrasia, Herald of many hats, former Silver Yale, current Seneschal of Lions Gate, was elevated into the Order of the Pelican! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! Alicia From Oddr at thuban.org Mon Jul 23 19:23:16 2012 From: Oddr at thuban.org (=?utf-8?B?T2RkciBtasera3NpZ2xhbmRp?=) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 02:23:16 +0000 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] [antir-heralds] Congratulations to Caitrina (former Silver Yale) Message-ID: Cool! The byname didn't click, so I missed it, but bravo! -- Oddr mj?ksiglandi (JdL, WOAW, Silver Dolphin) Lions Blood Herald Prot?g? to Maistreas Anderwyn na Sionain, OP Per bend sinister dovetailed sable and vert. Aquaterra Library: http://www.librarything.com/catalog/aquaterra ________________________________ From: Judy Harcus Sent: 23-Jul-12 18:57 To: An Tir Heralds; collegeofheralds at tirrigh.org Subject: [antir-heralds] Congratulations to Caitrina (former Silver Yale) At Coronation this weekend, Caitrina inghean Aindrasia, Herald of many hats, former Silver Yale, current Seneschal of Lions Gate, was elevated into the Order of the Pelican! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! Alicia _______________________________________________ antir-heralds mailing list antir-heralds at antir.sca.org http://missives.antir.sca.org/mailman/listinfo/antir-heralds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear_necessities at telus.net Tue Jul 31 00:08:41 2012 From: bear_necessities at telus.net (Morel Carr Zupanic) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:08:41 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] cc check please: (fieldless) An alder leaf bendwise Message-ID: <97B15683C97E4061B1D82EC242CD2218@OwnerPC> Can I please get a second look at (fieldless) An alder leaf bendwise. The only possible conflict I found was: Jesca McCutchen - The following device associated with this name was registered in February of 1992 (via the Middle): Lozengy Or and gules, an oak leaf bendwise inverted vert. I understand from looking at the precidents that there would be no difference between a leaf and a leaf inverted. But, I found the following precedent, giving a difference for leaf shapes. Alder leaves are comparable in shape to elm leaves. The Tenure of Fran?ois la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) ... there is a CD between an oak leaf and an elm leaf ... [Ralf of Oak Lawn the Oxhandler and Elaina of Oaklawn, 06/2002, A-Ansteorra] Doireann Silver Yale From jdharcus at telus.net Tue Jul 31 06:57:48 2012 From: jdharcus at telus.net (Judy Harcus) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:57:48 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] cc check please: (fieldless) An alder leaf bendwise In-Reply-To: <97B15683C97E4061B1D82EC242CD2218@OwnerPC> References: <97B15683C97E4061B1D82EC242CD2218@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <5017E45C.5020205@telus.net> I'm assuming the alder leaf is vert (you didn't say). That's the closest I found as well, and I agree it should probably be clear of Jesca's. Alicia Morel Carr Zupanic wrote: > Can I please get a second look at (fieldless) An alder leaf > bendwise. The only possible conflict I found was: > Jesca McCutchen - The following device associated with this name was > registered in February of 1992 (via the Middle): > Lozengy Or and gules, an oak leaf bendwise inverted vert. > > I understand from looking at the precidents that there would be no > difference between a leaf and a leaf inverted. But, I found the > following precedent, giving a difference for leaf shapes. Alder > leaves are comparable in shape to elm leaves. > > The Tenure of Fran?ois la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) > ... there is a CD between an oak leaf and an elm leaf ... [Ralf of Oak > Lawn the Oxhandler and Elaina of Oaklawn, 06/2002, A-Ansteorra] > > Doireann Silver Yale > > > > =============================================== > Principality of Tir Righ College of Heralds mailing list > Unsubscribe: collegeofheralds-unsubscribe at tirrigh.org > Help: collegeofheralds-request at tirrigh.org, subject line "help" > (without quotes) > or http://mail.tirrigh.org/mailman/listinfo/collegeofheralds_tirrigh.org > From bear_necessities at telus.net Tue Jul 31 07:33:16 2012 From: bear_necessities at telus.net (Morel Carr Zupanic) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:33:16 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] cc check please: (fieldless) An alder leaf bendwise In-Reply-To: <5017E45C.5020205@telus.net> References: <97B15683C97E4061B1D82EC242CD2218@OwnerPC> <5017E45C.5020205@telus.net> Message-ID: <3F486420ABFA4CEA9D11DFBC17265E09@OwnerPC> Alicia wrote: > I'm assuming the alder leaf is vert (you didn't say). Gah! Yes, thank you, it's vert. (sigh) > That's the closest I found as well, and I agree it should probably be > clear of Jesca's. Thank you very much. I'm amazed and happy that this proposed badge appears clear. Doireann From BasilD at lavabit.com Tue Jul 31 19:06:51 2012 From: BasilD at lavabit.com (Basil) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:06:51 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] cc check please: (fieldless) An alder leaf bendwise In-Reply-To: <97B15683C97E4061B1D82EC242CD2218@OwnerPC> References: <97B15683C97E4061B1D82EC242CD2218@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <50188F3B.6000402@lavabit.com> Morel Carr Zupanic wrote: > Can I please get a second look at (fieldless) An alder leaf bendwise. What tincture? > The only possible conflict I found was: > Jesca McCutchen - The following device associated with this name was > registered in February of 1992 (via the Middle): > Lozengy Or and gules, an oak leaf bendwise inverted vert. > > I understand from looking at the precidents that there would be no > difference between a leaf and a leaf inverted. But, I found the > following precedent, giving a difference for leaf shapes. Alder leaves > are comparable in shape to elm leaves. > > The Tenure of Fran?ois la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) > ... there is a CD between an oak leaf and an elm leaf ... [Ralf of Oak > Lawn the Oxhandler and Elaina of Oaklawn, 06/2002, A-Ansteorra] > > Doireann Silver Yale Some leaf precedents: ..with a CD...and another for the difference between a maple leaf and an aspen leaf...[Caerthe, Barony of., 12/05, A-Outlands] .There is a significant, but not a substantial, difference between oak leaves and maple leaves...[Natali'a Petrova Moskvina, 07/05, R-Northshield] .. There is another CD for change of type between oak leaves and strawberry leaves. [Helena Gewolf, LoAR 12/2004, Calontir-A] There is significant enough difference between a hawthorn leaf and a maple leaf to allow a CD for type, providing the second CD. [Avicia le Mey, A-An Tir] [Vert, on a mirror argent glassed vert, an oak leaf argent]...This is clear of Eva van Oudeachterkol's badge for Embla Willsdottir: Vert, an elm leaf in bend sinister environed of a cartouche voided argent...If we consider Eva/Embla's badge as Vert, on a cartouche vert fimbriated a leaf bendwise sinister argent with the leaf as a tertiary charge, there is a CD for changing the type and orientation. If we considered this submission as Vert, an oak leaf within a mirror voided argent then there would be two separate CDs for type and orientation.[Ail?s inghean Mhuirghein, East] (IOW, oak leaves and elm leaves are a CD apart) All-in-all, it looks like an aspen leaf and an oak leaf ought to be a CD/DC apart. ~~Basil Dragonstrike Peritia zmaragdus est; sapientia adam?s est. Compar?vistine impensae e?rum n?per? There IS more than one way to skin a cat, but they all leave you with a dead cat. -- B. Dragonstrike Disobedience Is Mandatory! From bear_necessities at telus.net Tue Jul 31 22:21:58 2012 From: bear_necessities at telus.net (Morel Carr Zupanic) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:21:58 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] cc check please: (fieldless) An alder leaf bendwise In-Reply-To: <50188F3B.6000402@lavabit.com> References: <97B15683C97E4061B1D82EC242CD2218@OwnerPC> <50188F3B.6000402@lavabit.com> Message-ID: Morel Carr Zupanic wrote: > Can I please get a second look at (fieldless) An alder leaf bendwise. Basil wrote: > What tincture? I did well on that, didn't I? It is vert. > All-in-all, it looks like an aspen leaf and an oak leaf ought to be a > CD/DC apart. Thank you muchly, to yourself and Alicia, for your help! Doireann