[tirrigh-heralds] [antir-heralds] cc please (fieldless) A crow close sable

[Judy Harcus]

I agree that the ones you found would be clear with one CD/DC for 
fieldless and a second for type of bird, as would Else Hünrvogt 
(December of 2004 via the West): Barry gules and Or, a chicken sable.

However, I believe this is a conflict: Serlo of Litchfield (December of 
1985 via Atenveldt): Gyronny gules and Or, a vulture close sable.
There is only one CD/DC for the field.

It also conflicts with: Dafydd Wallraven (June of 1998 via Lochac): Per 
fess argent and purpure masoned argent, in chief a raven close sable.
and with Thorolf Oddson Villannen (August of 1973): Per pale argent and 
ermine, in dexter base a raven close proper.
Again, only one CD/DC for the field.  There is nothing for position 
since fieldless has no location.  A proper raven is mostly (if not all) 
sable.

Alicia

Morel Carr Zupanic wrote:

>I cannot believe that this is free of conflict, so I am asking for a second 
>look, please.
>
>(fieldless) A crow close sable.
>
>There are two pieces of armoury that gave me pause, but according to 
>precedent are clear of conflict with my client's proposed badge.
>
>Sancha de Flores   (August of 2003 via the East):
>    (Fieldless) A cock sable, headed and queued gules.
>
>Dietrich Kempenich von Eltz   (August of 2011 via Ansteorra):
>    Argent, a brown hen proper.
>
>>From The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004):
>"Birds in different categories are given substantial difference from each 
>other as long as they meet the general requirements for substantial 
>difference listed above." Poultry-shaped birds and regular shaped birds are 
>in two different categories, according to this same precedent.
>
>Doireann 
>
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