From Caitrina at shaw.ca  Sun Jun  2 22:50:12 2013
From: Caitrina at shaw.ca (Caitrina inghean Aindriasa)
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 22:50:12 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] August Investiture
Message-ID: <51AC2E94.1060307@shaw.ca>

So Investiture will be in Lions Gate at the Albion Fairgrounds.  The 
Event Steward is checking to see if there is wifi available on site.  If 
there is, how many would like to help out with some live consulting?  
Silver Sparkes and Red Flame are local to the event so there is a good 
chance one or both will be on hand to accept submissions on the spot but 
we would need help with conflict checking, finding documentation, 
tracing, colouring, etc.  Who is with me?  No one would be expected to 
spend the whole day there but if you could spare an hour sitting with 
the cool kids I'll supply the computer, printer and paper.

Caitrina Hafoc

-- 
"Quarterly gules and sable, a winged fox sejant argent."




From jdharcus at telus.net  Mon Jun  3 07:09:31 2013
From: jdharcus at telus.net (Judy Harcus)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 07:09:31 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] August Investiture
In-Reply-To: <51AC2E94.1060307@shaw.ca>
References: <51AC2E94.1060307@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <51ACA39B.4030404@telus.net>

Caitrina inghean Aindriasa wrote:

> So Investiture will be in Lions Gate at the Albion Fairgrounds.  The 
> Event Steward is checking to see if there is wifi available on site.  
> If there is, how many would like to help out with some live 
> consulting?  Silver Sparkes and Red Flame are local to the event so 
> there is a good chance one or both will be on hand to accept 
> submissions on the spot but we would need help with conflict checking, 
> finding documentation, tracing, colouring, etc.  Who is with me?  No 
> one would be expected to spend the whole day there but if you could 
> spare an hour sitting with the cool kids I'll supply the computer, 
> printer and paper.
>
> Caitrina Hafoc
>
I plan to attend and will try to fit some time in to help out (somehow 
these events end up quite busy).
Alicia



From wulfstan.hrafnsson at gmail.com  Mon Jun  3 11:01:02 2013
From: wulfstan.hrafnsson at gmail.com (Wulfstan Hrafnsson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:01:02 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Collegeofheralds Digest, Vol 58, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1370278807.59423.collegeofheralds_tirrigh.org@tirrigh.org>
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Message-ID: <CAGdX+QPVg2ricEvKVFZ6JpFML5AxdBGy4__gY0q2oE-wutb6CQ@mail.gmail.com>

I could probably do some tracing and colouring, anyway.  I'll know better
closer to the day. Oberst Luther just did Lionsdale Champions at that site,
so he might know about WiFi.


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> So Investiture will be in Lions Gate at the Albion Fairgrounds.  The
> Event Steward is checking to see if there is wifi available on site.  If
> there is, how many would like to help out with some live consulting?
> Silver Sparkes and Red Flame are local to the event so there is a good
> chance one or both will be on hand to accept submissions on the spot but
> we would need help with conflict checking, finding documentation,
> tracing, colouring, etc.  Who is with me?  No one would be expected to
> spend the whole day there but if you could spare an hour sitting with
> the cool kids I'll supply the computer, printer and paper.
>
> Caitrina Hafoc
>
> --
> "Quarterly gules and sable, a winged fox sejant argent."
>
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> To: Caitrina inghean Aindriasa <Caitrina at shaw.ca>
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> Caitrina inghean Aindriasa wrote:
>
> > So Investiture will be in Lions Gate at the Albion Fairgrounds.  The
> > Event Steward is checking to see if there is wifi available on site.
> > If there is, how many would like to help out with some live
> > consulting?  Silver Sparkes and Red Flame are local to the event so
> > there is a good chance one or both will be on hand to accept
> > submissions on the spot but we would need help with conflict checking,
> > finding documentation, tracing, colouring, etc.  Who is with me?  No
> > one would be expected to spend the whole day there but if you could
> > spare an hour sitting with the cool kids I'll supply the computer,
> > printer and paper.
> >
> > Caitrina Hafoc
> >
> I plan to attend and will try to fit some time in to help out (somehow
> these events end up quite busy).
> Alicia
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From runescope at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  5 00:24:05 2013
From: runescope at shaw.ca (Runescope)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 00:24:05 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Received AA, now I need A
Message-ID: <000701ce61bd$a9664c50$fc32e4f0$@shaw.ca>

Okay, sorry for the long delay in getting back to everyone.  It seems
whenever I start a personal project everyone wants a piece of me :D

ANYWAYS,   I received a ton of information, a lot of it I had to get a
dictionary for! But the general gist of what I could understand is "Too
Complicated"  So I went back to the drawing board (literally!) and we'll try
version two out on you fine folks.

Just as a general background, what I wanted to convey with my Arms (is the
singular still with an 's' on the end?) is a balancing of good/bad.  The
motto (that I apparently didn't have to spend hours figuring out in Latin,
oh well) translates out as "Only as behaved as I have to be".  At least I
hope that's what it translates out to be, that's what it's supposed to
translate out to be, but only having google translate to work with, it could
be a recipe for dumplings. :D

As for the name, well  I figured Thane might be sticky being a title, so I
wouldn't mind something close, but everyone knows me as Thane and that's
what is on my AA so it would have to sound very similar, but Greyhaven
really is a must, as it conveys my willingness to shelter both those who
behave and those who misbehave. 

So I went a little simpler with the design, and I could go even simpler.
There is a border around it that could be dumped easily, and really the sun
in the center is just pure decoration.  All that is needed is the black
castle on white background and white castle on black background.  But I
would like to keep the sun.  I think it gives it a nice flair. :)

Here's the link so you can see for yourself!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/8956996946_6a5ca61902_o.jpg

I appreciated all the responses I received, thank you one and all.



?Gerry Harris aka ?Runescope? aka Thane Greyhaven

The Single Minded Schizophrenic, The Original Unified Committee
The Master of the Brief Infinity,    
 Or was that the Infinity Briefs? 


This and all other notifications shall not be misconstrued as an alien
invasion, unless said notification is specifically notarized as being an
actual alien invasion.

Interested in the Distant Past, and the Far Future
runescope at shaw.ca  runepod at gmail.com runescope at hotmail.com runepad at gmail.com



From: Michael Chorney [mailto:youngrocketsamurai at gmail.com] 
Sent: May-29-13 4:23 PM
To: Runescope; Tir Righ Heralds
Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] Received AoA, now I need CoA

Greetings, Thane!
Congratulations on your AA, and also on making the most excellent decision
to design your armoury and get it registered!
As Alicia has mentioned, your current idea is a little on the busy side, but
I'm sure we can work on that. Why don't you tell us a little about why you
chose the elements you selected, and if/why they are important to you? If
one of the items on your suggested device is more critical to you, we can
focus on that as a design motif. 
When designing armoury, you ideally want it to be simple and clean.
Remember, the idea is for it to be easily identifiable and recognizeable at
a distance. The more cluttered it is, the harder that it to do.
Also, as mentioned, there is going to be an issue with your name. Would you
be happy with something that sounded similar? 
Whereabouts are you? Maybe we can find a local herald that you can work with
face-to-face, that can help you with all that stuff. Not that we aren't
happy to assist here, just that it is always easier to work with someone in
person.
As for the motto and such - this kind of stuff is fantastic, and I greatly
encourage its use, but it won't be part of your submission or registered
arms. That doesn't mean don't use it - absolutely do! But your submission
will consist of your name and your device alone.
I hope this was helpful. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to
ask! That's what we're here for.
In service,
Vladimir Andreivich Aleksandrov
(almost-but-not-quite-yet) Silver Yale Herald

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Runescope <runescope at shaw.ca> wrote:
Greetings unto the Lists!

I'm not sure if this made it onto the lists yesterday, if it did, my
apologies for a repost :)


A couple of years ago, I received my Award of Arms, and I?ve finally gotten
around to designing a (VERY) preliminary Coat of Arms.?

I?ve been told that this is the place to request help for design and
approval.? I?m pretty sure I can?t post an image to the list, but this link
will take you to an image of my first draft.

Any and all, critiques and comments welcome!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7365/8860694446_2bfafe55da_o.jpg




?Gerry Harris aka ?Runescope? aka Thane Greyhaven

The Single Minded Schizophrenic, The Original Unified Committee
The Master of the Brief Infinity, ? ?
 Or was that the Infinity Briefs? 


This and all other notifications shall not be misconstrued as an alien
invasion, unless said notification is specifically notarized as being an
actual alien invasion.

Interested in the Distant Past, and the Far Future
runescope at shaw.ca ?runepod at gmail.com runescope at hotmail.com runepad at gmail.com





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From BasilD at lavabit.com  Thu Jun  6 17:02:41 2013
From: BasilD at lavabit.com (Basil)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:02:41 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Received AA, now I need A
In-Reply-To: <000701ce61bd$a9664c50$fc32e4f0$@shaw.ca>
References: <000701ce61bd$a9664c50$fc32e4f0$@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <51B12321.6010109@lavabit.com>

On 6/5/2013 12:24 AM, Runescope wrote:
> Okay, sorry for the long delay in getting back to everyone.  It seems
> whenever I start a personal project everyone wants a piece of me :D
>
> ANYWAYS,   I received a ton of information, a lot of it I had to get a
> dictionary for! But the general gist of what I could understand is "Too
> Complicated"  So I went back to the drawing board (literally!) and we'll try
> version two out on you fine folks.

{snip}

> So I went a little simpler with the design, and I could go even simpler.
> There is a border around it that could be dumped easily, and really the sun
> in the center is just pure decoration.  All that is needed is the black
> castle on white background and white castle on black background.  But I
> would like to keep the sun.  I think it gives it a nice flair. :)

You can keep the sun. The design is quite simple enough with it in.

However, you'll need to do a bit of redrawing, because at present it's 
not clear if there's a primary charge group (the sun) between two 
towers in a secondary charge group, or if it's one primary charge 
group of a sun and two towers.

If you're confused by some of the lingo I (and others) are slinging 
around, try the Glossary at:
http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html
For help with the whole brouhaha, try some of the articles linked from:
http://heraldry.sca.org/armory_articles.html

A question for one and all: SENA does not mention dimidiation: are we 
not considering whether-or-not a proposal/submission looks like it's 
dimidiated?


~~Basil Dragonstrike

So, flying up in a human-rated Dragon (spaceship) is not gonna be an 
issue. -- astronaut Don Pettit

Peritia zmaragdus est; sapientia adam?s est. Compar?vistine impensae 
e?rum n?per?

Disobedience is Mandatory!





From BasilD at lavabit.com  Thu Jun  6 17:01:51 2013
From: BasilD at lavabit.com (Basil)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:01:51 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Received AA, now I need A
In-Reply-To: <000701ce61bd$a9664c50$fc32e4f0$@shaw.ca>
References: <000701ce61bd$a9664c50$fc32e4f0$@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <51B122EF.7010907@lavabit.com>

On 6/5/2013 12:24 AM, Runescope wrote:
> Okay, sorry for the long delay in getting back to everyone.  It seems
> whenever I start a personal project everyone wants a piece of me :D
>
> ANYWAYS,   I received a ton of information, a lot of it I had to get a
> dictionary for! But the general gist of what I could understand is "Too
> Complicated"  So I went back to the drawing board (literally!) and we'll try
> version two out on you fine folks.

{snip}

> So I went a little simpler with the design, and I could go even simpler.
> There is a border around it that could be dumped easily, and really the sun
> in the center is just pure decoration.  All that is needed is the black
> castle on white background and white castle on black background.  But I
> would like to keep the sun.  I think it gives it a nice flair. :)

You can keep the sun. The design is quite simple enough with it in.

However, you'll need to do a bit of redrawing, because at present it's 
not clear if there's a primary charge group (the sun) between two 
towers in a secondary charge group, or if it's one primary charge 
group of a sun and two towers.

If you're confused by some of the lingo I (and others) are slinging 
around, try the Glossary at:
http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html
For help with the whole brouhaha, try some of the articles linked from:
http://heraldry.sca.org/armory_articles.html

A question for one and all: SENA does not mention dimidiation: are we 
not considering whether-or-not a proposal/submission looks like it's 
dimidiated?


~~Basil Dragonstrike

So, flying up in a human-rated Dragon (spaceship) is not gonna be an 
issue. -- astronaut Don Pettit

Peritia zmaragdus est; sapientia adam?s est. Compar?vistine impensae 
e?rum n?per?

Disobedience is Mandatory!





From anthony.hawke at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  6 17:07:11 2013
From: anthony.hawke at shaw.ca (Anthony Hawke, GdS)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:07:11 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Received AA, now I need A
In-Reply-To: <51B122EF.7010907@lavabit.com>
References: <000701ce61bd$a9664c50$fc32e4f0$@shaw.ca>
	<51B122EF.7010907@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <51B1242F.9010500@shaw.ca>

On 6/6/2013 5:01 PM, Basil wrote:
>
> A question for one and all: SENA does not mention dimidiation: are we 
> not considering whether-or-not a proposal/submission looks like it's 
> dimidiated?
>
>
> ~~Basil Dragonstrike

Wouldn't dimidiation be treated  the same (for all intents and purposes) 
as marshalling?  It was an earlier form of the practise, after all.

-- 
____________________________________________________________________________
Lord Anthony Hawke; GdS, AA, WOAW
Prot?g? to his Excellency, Uilliam mac Aill?n vhic S?amus, OP
/Facta Omnia Gloria Nihil
(The deed is everything. Glory is nothing.)/
*Per fess sable and Or, a sea-tyger maintaining a rapier inverted 
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From runescope at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  6 17:42:41 2013
From: runescope at shaw.ca (Runescope)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:42:41 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Received AA, now I need A
In-Reply-To: <51B12321.6010109@lavabit.com>
References: <000701ce61bd$a9664c50$fc32e4f0$@shaw.ca>
	<51B12321.6010109@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <000e01ce6317$eaec85d0$c0c59170$@shaw.ca>

>You can keep the sun. The design is quite simple enough with it in.
Great!

>However, you'll need to do a bit of redrawing, because at present it's not clear if there's a primary charge group (the sun) between two towers in a secondary charge group, or if it's one primary charge group of a sun and two towers.

I'm not sure I understand the confusion. I think this is what you're talking about?

	Primary Charge Group.
	    The most important group of charges in a piece of armory. In blazons, the primary charge group is usually mentioned immediately after the field (though a strewn charge group is not primary when it is blazoned before a central charge group). If there is a central ordinary lying entirely on the field, it 	is the primary charge. If there is no such central ordinary, then the primary charge group is the set of charges of the same size that lie in the center of the design and directly on the field.	

Soo, I think this means that the sun would be the central ordinary right?  And it's not clear if the towers are part of the primary charge group because they are all the same size and in a line?  So if I were to move the sun higher/make it larger, and/or move the towers lower, would that clear it up? If not, I would appreciate some suggestions on how to clear it up.


>If you're confused by some of the lingo I (and others) are slinging around, try the Glossary at:
>http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html

Is there  a glossary for the glossary?  Seriously, there are words that are NOT being used the way they should be, and that's with a fairly good knowledge of 'ye olde english' (for example, I'm aware that the 'y' in 'ye' is actually pronounced like a 'th').  Though I suppose with heraldry being based in French that wouldn't help much.  lol




 Gerry Harris aka ?Runescope? aka Thane Greyhaven

The Single Minded Schizophrenic, The Original Unified Committee
The Master of the Brief Infinity,    ? Or was that the Infinity Briefs? ?

This and all other notifications shall not be misconstrued as an alien invasion, unless said notification is specifically notarized as being an actual alien invasion.

Interested in the Distant Past, and the Far Future
runescope at shaw.ca  runepod at gmail.com runescope at hotmail.com runepad at gmail.com




From BasilD at lavabit.com  Thu Jun  6 20:21:42 2013
From: BasilD at lavabit.com (Basil)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:21:42 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Dimidiation question (was: Received AA,
	now I need A)
In-Reply-To: <51B1242F.9010500@shaw.ca>
References: <000701ce61bd$a9664c50$fc32e4f0$@shaw.ca>
	<51B122EF.7010907@lavabit.com> <51B1242F.9010500@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <51B151C6.9080906@lavabit.com>

On 6/6/2013 5:07 PM, Anthony Hawke, GdS wrote:
> On 6/6/2013 5:01 PM, Basil wrote:
>>
>> A question for one and all: SENA does not mention dimidiation: are
>> we not considering whether-or-not a proposal/submission looks like
>> it's dimidiated?
>>
>>
>> ~~Basil Dragonstrike
>
> Wouldn't dimidiation be treated  the same (for all intents and
> purposes) as marshalling?  It was an earlier form of the practise,
> after all.

Consider, for example:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/8956996946_6a5ca61902_o.jpg

That could not be impaled, but it could be dimidiated. Now consider 
SENA A.6.F.1.c and A.6.F.3.c. These say that having a charge or 
charges straddle the palar line removes the appearance of marshalling.

This looks like dimidiation is being ignored, but I wonder if that's 
the intention.

BTW, 'Runescope', ignore this. Just some heralds geeking out. ;-)


~~Basil Dragonstrike

Er? m?tis cum sim mortuus.

Peritia zmaragdus est; sapientia adam?s est. Compar?vistine impensae 
e?rum n?per?

Disobedience is Mandatory!





From BasilD at lavabit.com  Thu Jun  6 20:36:05 2013
From: BasilD at lavabit.com (Basil)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:36:05 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Received AA, now I need A
In-Reply-To: <000e01ce6317$eaec85d0$c0c59170$@shaw.ca>
References: <000701ce61bd$a9664c50$fc32e4f0$@shaw.ca>
	<51B12321.6010109@lavabit.com>
	<000e01ce6317$eaec85d0$c0c59170$@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <51B15525.3030401@lavabit.com>

On 6/6/2013 5:42 PM, Runescope wrote:
>> You can keep the sun. The design is quite simple enough with it
>> in.
> Great!
>
>> However, you'll need to do a bit of redrawing, because at present
>> it's not clear if there's a primary charge group (the sun)
>> between two towers in a secondary charge group, or if it's one
>> primary charge group of a sun and two towers.
>
> I'm not sure I understand the confusion. I think this is what
> you're talking about?
>
> Primary Charge Group.

{snip}

> Soo, I think this means that the sun would be the central ordinary
> right?

An "ordinary" is one of those big, geometrical charges, like a fess or 
a bend. A sun isn't an ordinary.

NB: you *can* have more have two types of charges in the same charge 
group. Not three, though. So the sun and the towers can both be in the 
primary charge group.

 > And it's not clear if the towers are part of the primary
> charge group because they are all the same size and in a line?

The problem is that their not *quite* as large as the sun, but not 
enough smaller to be clearly secondary.

Being in line is not relevant to whether they're primary or secondary.

> So
> if I were to move the sun higher/make it larger, and/or move the
> towers lower, would that clear it up? If not, I would appreciate
> some suggestions on how to clear it up.

Moving the sun upwards, or the towers downwards, would not clarify 
whether the towers are "co-primary" (i.e., primary along with the 
sun), or secondaries. Not if that's all you did

The problem is the relative sizes. If you made the towers a bit larger 
or the sun a bit smaller, you'd have no problem. Once you did that, 
you could leave them in line (which I would think would look best), or:
A) if you made them all the same size you could move the sun up and 
the towers down, or vice versa. However, you *probably* couldn't move 
just the sun or just the towers; I don't think those arrangements of 
primary charges are allowed, but I'll let others speak to that
B) if you made the towers definitely smaller than the sun, you could 
move the towers up, or *maybe* down, but the sun would have to stay in 
the center.

NB: you don't want to make the towers *too* small; half the height of 
the sun would be about the smallest acceptable size.

I strongly suggest you go to http://rollofarms.antirheralds.org/ and 
wander around and take a look at what's there. That should help you 
get a better idea for heraldic art and layout. :-)


~~Basil Dragonstrike

Every dream has a blind side, a trapdoor that's tripped by doubt. --
Webb Wilder, "The Rest (Will Take Care of Itself)"

Peritia zmaragdus est; sapientia adam?s est. Compar?vistine impensae
e?rum n?per?

There IS more than one way to skin a cat, but they all leave you with
a dead cat. -- B. Dragonstrike




From anthony.hawke at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  6 20:38:41 2013
From: anthony.hawke at shaw.ca (Anthony Hawke, GdS)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:38:41 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Dimidiation question
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On 6/6/2013 8:21 PM, Basil wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't dimidiation be treated  the same (for all intents and
>> purposes) as marshalling?  It was an earlier form of the practise,
>> after all.
>
> Consider, for example:
> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/8956996946_6a5ca61902_o.jpg
>
> That could not be impaled, but it could be dimidiated. Now consider 
> SENA A.6.F.1.c and A.6.F.3.c. These say that having a charge or 
> charges straddle the palar line removes the appearance of marshalling.
>
> This looks like dimidiation is being ignored, but I wonder if that's 
> the intention.

I don't see your example as dimidiation -- it is a counterchange, plain 
and simple.  I would assume dimidiation if the 'charge' that is bisected 
by the pale line is the left half of one charge and the right half of a 
different charge.  A good example are the Arms of Hastings 
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Hastings_Emblem_Vectorized.svg) 
where you see two lions passant regardant each dimidiated with a hulk.

I still believe that marshalling, impaling and dimidiation are all the 
same thing, just done in different eras and cultures -- and therefore 
must be treated the same.

-- 
____________________________________________________________________________
Lord Anthony Hawke; GdS, AA, WOAW
Prot?g? to his Excellency, Uilliam mac Aill?n vhic S?amus, OP
/Facta Omnia Gloria Nihil
(The deed is everything. Glory is nothing.)/
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From runescope at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  6 20:53:19 2013
From: runescope at shaw.ca (Runescope)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:53:19 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Received AA, now I need A
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Ahhh, I see.  Well, they were SUPPOSED to all be the same size.  I was eyeballing them and so they didn't quite get there.  I will attempt again with a ruler this time :D



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The Master of the Brief Infinity,    ? Or was that the Infinity Briefs? ?

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From runescope at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  6 21:33:20 2013
From: runescope at shaw.ca (Runescope)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 21:33:20 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] My Arms design, take 3
Message-ID: <000a01ce6338$237b13b0$6a713b10$@shaw.ca>

Okay, the castles and sun are exactly the same size now.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5339/8974164397_62b810143b_o.png



 Gerry Harris aka 'Runescope' aka Thane Greyhaven

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The Master of the Brief Infinity,    . Or was that the Infinity Briefs? .

This and all other notifications shall not be misconstrued as an alien
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From BasilD at lavabit.com  Thu Jun  6 21:43:24 2013
From: BasilD at lavabit.com (Basil)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 21:43:24 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Dimidiation question
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On 6/6/2013 8:38 PM, Anthony Hawke, GdS wrote:
> On 6/6/2013 8:21 PM, Basil wrote:
>>
>>> Wouldn't dimidiation be treated  the same (for all intents and
>>> purposes) as marshalling?  It was an earlier form of the practise,
>>> after all.
>>
>> Consider, for example:
>> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/8956996946_6a5ca61902_o.jpg
>>
>> That could not be impaled, but it could be dimidiated. Now consider
>> SENA A.6.F.1.c and A.6.F.3.c. These say that having a charge or
>> charges straddle the palar line removes the appearance of marshalling.
>>
>> This looks like dimidiation is being ignored, but I wonder if that's
>> the intention.
>
> I don't see your example as dimidiation -- it is a counterchange,
> plain and simple.  I would assume dimidiation if the 'charge' that is
> bisected by the pale line is the left half of one charge and the right
> half of a different charge.

That's the most frequent case in mundane heraldry, but nothing says 
you can't have the same charge in each half.

"Sable, a sun between a tower and (any ol' thing) within a bordure 
argent, dimidiating Argent, a sun between (any ol' thing) a a tower 
within a bordure sable."

Unlikely, I will agree, but not impossible. Considering some of the 
stuff the SCA/CoH says "has the appearance of marshalling" I'm not 
ruling out (nearly) anything.

> I still believe that marshalling, impaling and dimidiation are all the
> same thing, just done in different eras and cultures -- and therefore
> must be treated the same.

Well, I'd say that impaling and dimidiation are two kinds of 
marshalling, but that's heading in nit-picky land. ;-)


~~Basil Dragonstrike

So, flying up in a human-rated Dragon (spaceship) is not gonna be an 
issue. -- astronaut Don Pettit

And it's only the giving that makes you, what you are. -- J. Tull

THIS LIFE IS ONLY A TEST.
In the event of a Real Life you would be told where to go and what to do.
THIS IS A TEST. REPEAT: THIS IS ONLY A TEST.





From jdharcus at telus.net  Thu Jun  6 22:23:45 2013
From: jdharcus at telus.net (Judy Harcus)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:23:45 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] My Arms design, take 3
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References: <000a01ce6338$237b13b0$6a713b10$@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <51B16E61.8070206@telus.net>

Just a thought, as I think it would have a more period style and fill 
the field better - have you considered having the (big) sun between 
three (smaller) towers counterchanged.  This would leave the sun in the 
middle as the sole primary charge, a black tower in one upper corner, a 
white tower in the other upper corner and a third one below the sun 
divided half black and half white (that makes grey, doesn't it? 
<grin>).  This does make the towers secondary charges, though.

Alicia

Runescope wrote:

>Okay, the castles and sun are exactly the same size now.
>
>http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5339/8974164397_62b810143b_o.png
>
>
>
> Gerry Harris aka 'Runescope' aka Thane Greyhaven
>
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From runescope at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  7 12:05:56 2013
From: runescope at shaw.ca (Runescope)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 12:05:56 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] My Arms design, take 3
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-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Harcus [mailto:jdharcus at telus.net] 
Sent: June-06-13 10:24 PM
To: Runescope
Cc: collegeofheralds at tirrigh.org
Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] My Arms design, take 3

Just a thought, as I think it would have a more period style and fill the
field better - have you considered having the (big) sun between three
(smaller) towers counterchanged.  This would leave the sun in the middle as
the sole primary charge, a black tower in one upper corner, a white tower in
the other upper corner and a third one below the sun divided half black and
half white (that makes grey, doesn't it? 
<grin>).  This does make the towers secondary charges, though.

Alicia
-------------------------------

You mean something like this?

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7424/8980681844_1f647f261c_o.png

I don't want it to end up too busy again though.  What say the heralds?  The
three tower variation or the two?
Here's the original two tower to compare against.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5339/8974164397_62b810143b_o.png




 Gerry Harris aka 'Runescope' aka Thane Greyhaven

The Single Minded Schizophrenic, The Original Unified Committee
The Master of the Brief Infinity,    . Or was that the Infinity Briefs? .

This and all other notifications shall not be misconstrued as an alien
invasion, unless said notification is specifically notarized as being an
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Interested in the Distant Past, and the Far Future
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From wreath at heraldry.sca.org  Fri Jun  7 12:47:49 2013
From: wreath at heraldry.sca.org (Wreath Sovereign of Arms)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:47:49 -0500
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Dimidiation question
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You all might be interested in the May 1980 registration of the following:

Shire of the Shadowlands. Per pale azure and sable, issuant from the line
of division a demi?compass star and a demi?annulet, in base a laurel wreath
Or.

Note: By default, the demi?compass star is a demi?compass star of eight
points and is issuing to the dexter from the line of division at the center
point. Similarly the demi?annulet is issuing to the sinister also from the
center point so that it is conjoined to the demi?star. The laurel wreath
overall in base removes the appearance of dimidiated arms.


Practically ancient history, but interesting nonetheless!

-Emma


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Basil <BasilD at lavabit.com> wrote:

> On 6/6/2013 8:38 PM, Anthony Hawke, GdS wrote:
>
>> On 6/6/2013 8:21 PM, Basil wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  Wouldn't dimidiation be treated  the same (for all intents and
>>>> purposes) as marshalling?  It was an earlier form of the practise,
>>>> after all.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Consider, for example:
>>> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/**7432/8956996946_6a5ca61902_o.**jpg<http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/8956996946_6a5ca61902_o.jpg>
>>>
>>> That could not be impaled, but it could be dimidiated. Now consider
>>> SENA A.6.F.1.c and A.6.F.3.c. These say that having a charge or
>>> charges straddle the palar line removes the appearance of marshalling.
>>>
>>> This looks like dimidiation is being ignored, but I wonder if that's
>>> the intention.
>>>
>>
>> I don't see your example as dimidiation -- it is a counterchange,
>> plain and simple.  I would assume dimidiation if the 'charge' that is
>> bisected by the pale line is the left half of one charge and the right
>> half of a different charge.
>>
>
> That's the most frequent case in mundane heraldry, but nothing says you
> can't have the same charge in each half.
>
> "Sable, a sun between a tower and (any ol' thing) within a bordure argent,
> dimidiating Argent, a sun between (any ol' thing) a a tower within a
> bordure sable."
>
> Unlikely, I will agree, but not impossible. Considering some of the stuff
> the SCA/CoH says "has the appearance of marshalling" I'm not ruling out
> (nearly) anything.
>
>
>  I still believe that marshalling, impaling and dimidiation are all the
>> same thing, just done in different eras and cultures -- and therefore
>> must be treated the same.
>>
>
> Well, I'd say that impaling and dimidiation are two kinds of marshalling,
> but that's heading in nit-picky land. ;-)
>
>
> ~~Basil Dragonstrike
>
> So, flying up in a human-rated Dragon (spaceship) is not gonna be an
> issue. -- astronaut Don Pettit
>
> And it's only the giving that makes you, what you are. -- J. Tull
>
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> In the event of a Real Life you would be told where to go and what to do.
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From runescope at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  7 13:30:59 2013
From: runescope at shaw.ca (Runescope)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:30:59 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Now, about my name
Message-ID: <000601ce63bd$ec40edd0$c4c2c970$@shaw.ca>

So, seeing as most if not all of the wrinkles seem to have been ironed out
of my Arms design, at least enough where I can submit it and see what
happens, the next step is to fix my name. :D

A friend of mine suggested that I try an alternate spelling of Thane, and go
with the old English version of Thegn.

That would be totally acceptable to me.


?Gerry Harris aka ?Runescope? aka Thane Greyhaven

The Single Minded Schizophrenic, The Original Unified Committee
The Master of the Brief Infinity,    
 Or was that the Infinity Briefs? 


This and all other notifications shall not be misconstrued as an alien
invasion, unless said notification is specifically notarized as being an
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From BasilD at lavabit.com  Fri Jun  7 14:21:05 2013
From: BasilD at lavabit.com (Basil)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 14:21:05 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] My Arms design, take 3
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On 6/7/2013 12:05 PM, Runescope wrote:

{snip}

> I don't want it to end up too busy again though.

When we talk about complexity, we're talking about the number of 
tinctures used, plus the number of *types* of charges. Both the 
examples you've provided have two tinctures (argent and sable) and 
three types of charge (sun, tower, bordure). Thus, a total complexity 
count of 5.

*As a rule of thumb*, a complexity count of more than 8 is considered 
too complex. Well arranged devices above that complexity count have 
passed in the past, and badly arranged submission with lesser 
complexity counts have been returned.

 > What say the heralds?  The
> three tower variation or the two?

As you wish. :-)


~~Basil Dragonstrike

And it's only the giving that makes you, what you are. -- J. Tull

There IS more than one way to skin a cat, but they all leave you with 
a dead cat. -- B. Dragonstrike

THIS LIFE IS ONLY A TEST.
In the event of a Real Life you would be told where to go and what to do.
THIS IS A TEST. REPEAT: THIS IS ONLY A TEST.





From BasilD at lavabit.com  Fri Jun  7 15:26:32 2013
From: BasilD at lavabit.com (Basil)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 15:26:32 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Now, about my name
In-Reply-To: <000601ce63bd$ec40edd0$c4c2c970$@shaw.ca>
References: <000601ce63bd$ec40edd0$c4c2c970$@shaw.ca>
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On 6/7/2013 1:30 PM, Runescope wrote:
> So, seeing as most if not all of the wrinkles seem to have been ironed out
> of my Arms design, at least enough where I can submit it and see what
> happens, the next step is to fix my name. :D
>
> A friend of mine suggested that I try an alternate spelling of Thane, and go
> with the old English version of Thegn.
>
> That would be totally acceptable to me.

Thegn is totally not allowable. Please see the Approved Administrative 
Handbook, Appendix C (1), the Standards of Evaluation of Names and 
Armory, PN.4.A and PN.4.B.1 (2), and the List of Alternate Titles (3).

The long and the short of it, "Thegn" is a "protected and/or 
restricted rank," and thus cannot be used in a name. "Thane," since it 
has an identical or nearly identical pronunciation is problematical. 
As it says in SENA PN.4.B.1, "Attested given names that are identical 
to titles and forms of address may be registered in contexts that make 
it clear that they are given names and not titles."

Thus, to use "Thane" you will have to show that it was used, in 
period, as a given name, and then use it in a way that dos not seem to 
be a title.

OTOH, if you're willing to use a form of "thane" as a *last* name, you 
can point to the Middle English Dictionary, which has some examples 
under s.n. thein (4). The spellings used are "Tain", "Thein", and "Theyn".


(1) http://heraldry.sca.org/admin.html#APPENDIXC
(2) http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#PN4
(3) http://heraldry.sca.org/titles.html
(4) 
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=id&id=MED45109&egs=all&egdisplay=open



~~Basil Dragonstrike

Er? m?tis cum sim mortuus.

THIS LIFE IS ONLY A TEST.
In the event of a Real Life you would be told where to go and what to do.
THIS IS A TEST. REPEAT: THIS IS ONLY A TEST.

Disobedience is Mandatory!




From runescope at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  7 17:15:09 2013
From: runescope at shaw.ca (Runescope)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 17:15:09 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Now, about my name
In-Reply-To: <51B25E18.1060406@lavabit.com>
References: <000601ce63bd$ec40edd0$c4c2c970$@shaw.ca>
	<51B25E18.1060406@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <000001ce63dd$3c9e69a0$b5db3ce0$@shaw.ca>

I had thought so, but it was worth a shot. Fortune favours the brave and all that. 

So I believe I will go with my second choice from so many years ago.

Do you foresee any problems with Thomas Greyhaven?  That way I don't have to change my monogramed hankies either :D



-----Original Message-----
From: Collegeofheralds [mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org] On Behalf Of Basil
Sent: June-07-13 3:27 PM
To: collegeofheralds at tirrigh.org
Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] Now, about my name

On 6/7/2013 1:30 PM, Runescope wrote:
> So, seeing as most if not all of the wrinkles seem to have been ironed 
> out of my Arms design, at least enough where I can submit it and see 
> what happens, the next step is to fix my name. :D
>
> A friend of mine suggested that I try an alternate spelling of Thane, 
> and go with the old English version of Thegn.
>
> That would be totally acceptable to me.

Thegn is totally not allowable. Please see the Approved Administrative Handbook, Appendix C (1), the Standards of Evaluation of Names and Armory, PN.4.A and PN.4.B.1 (2), and the List of Alternate Titles (3).

The long and the short of it, "Thegn" is a "protected and/or restricted rank," and thus cannot be used in a name. "Thane," since it has an identical or nearly identical pronunciation is problematical. 
As it says in SENA PN.4.B.1, "Attested given names that are identical to titles and forms of address may be registered in contexts that make it clear that they are given names and not titles."

Thus, to use "Thane" you will have to show that it was used, in period, as a given name, and then use it in a way that dos not seem to be a title.

OTOH, if you're willing to use a form of "thane" as a *last* name, you can point to the Middle English Dictionary, which has some examples under s.n. thein (4). The spellings used are "Tain", "Thein", and "Theyn".
---------------------------------


 Gerry Harris aka ?Runescope? aka Thane Greyhaven

The Single Minded Schizophrenic, The Original Unified Committee
The Master of the Brief Infinity,    ? Or was that the Infinity Briefs? ?

This and all other notifications shall not be misconstrued as an alien invasion, unless said notification is specifically notarized as being an actual alien invasion.

Interested in the Distant Past, and the Far Future
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From BasilD at lavabit.com  Sat Jun  8 10:11:22 2013
From: BasilD at lavabit.com (Basil)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:11:22 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Now, about my name
In-Reply-To: <000001ce63dd$3c9e69a0$b5db3ce0$@shaw.ca>
References: <000601ce63bd$ec40edd0$c4c2c970$@shaw.ca>
	<51B25E18.1060406@lavabit.com>
	<000001ce63dd$3c9e69a0$b5db3ce0$@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <51B365BA.3020508@lavabit.com>

On 6/7/2013 5:15 PM, Runescope wrote:
> I had thought so, but it was worth a shot. Fortune favours the brave and all that.
>
> So I believe I will go with my second choice from so many years ago.
>
> Do you foresee any problems with Thomas Greyhaven?  That way I don't have to change my monogramed hankies either :D

I'm not really a names-herald, so I don't know if Greyhaven is 
allowable or not. Thomas wouldn't be a problem, of course.

I hope someone who's better at name than me will now step forward.....


~~Basil Dragonstrike

Peritia zmaragdus est; sapientia adam?s est. Compar?vistine impensae 
e?rum n?per?

THIS LIFE IS ONLY A TEST.
In the event of a Real Life you would be told where to go and what to do.
THIS IS A TEST. REPEAT: THIS IS ONLY A TEST.

Disobedience is Mandatory!




From jdharcus at telus.net  Sun Jun  9 21:41:05 2013
From: jdharcus at telus.net (Judy Harcus)
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 21:41:05 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] My Arms design, take 3
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Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of.  As Basil mentioned, this is 
no more complex than the one with two towers.  IMO, it has better style 
and balance, but it's up to you which you submit.  I'd suggest printing 
both out and sticking them somewhere like on your fridge where you will 
see them frequently, and see how you feel about them in a week or so.

I will try to find time to conflict check both version in the next 
couple of days.  Hopefully someone else will have time to do so as well.

Alicia

Runescope wrote:

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Judy Harcus [mailto:jdharcus at telus.net] 
>Sent: June-06-13 10:24 PM
>To: Runescope
>Cc: collegeofheralds at tirrigh.org
>Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] My Arms design, take 3
>
>Just a thought, as I think it would have a more period style and fill the
>field better - have you considered having the (big) sun between three
>(smaller) towers counterchanged.  This would leave the sun in the middle as
>the sole primary charge, a black tower in one upper corner, a white tower in
>the other upper corner and a third one below the sun divided half black and
>half white (that makes grey, doesn't it? 
><grin>).  This does make the towers secondary charges, though.
>
>Alicia
>-------------------------------
>
>You mean something like this?
>
>http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7424/8980681844_1f647f261c_o.png
>
>I don't want it to end up too busy again though.  What say the heralds?  The
>three tower variation or the two?
>Here's the original two tower to compare against.
>
>http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5339/8974164397_62b810143b_o.png
>
>
>
>
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From jdharcus at telus.net  Sun Jun  9 22:11:35 2013
From: jdharcus at telus.net (Judy Harcus)
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 22:11:35 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Now, about my name
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I think that you have a much better chance with Thomas Greyhaven.

I think we may be able to argue for Greyhaven as a constructed name 
based on examples in R&W's Dictionary of English Surnames which has 
names like "Greyland" (dated to 1290-1; 1314-5; & 1338), "Greystanes 
(grey stones)" (dated to 1332, "Whitestone" dated to 1332 along with the 
example of "Whytehauene" (1279) and "Whithaven" (1535) provided by 
Pelican on the May 2008 LoAR which says "-haven in constructed English 
place names. When this element was ruled SCA-compatible as a 
deuterotheme in English place names, the only examples that had been 
found to that point appended the element Haven to an already existing 
place name. Since then, examples have been found of -haven used as a 
genuine deuterotheme, in Whytehauene 1279 and Whithaven 1535 (Watts s.n. 
Whitehaven), and Kihavene, Kyhavene c.1170-1316 and Kayhaven 1532 (Watts 
s.n. Keyhaven)."

The other option would be to submit as Thomas Grey Haven documenting it 
as a late period name with a double surname as the IGI Parish Extracts 
have lots of examples of both Grey and Haven as surnames.

Thane/Thomas - the above info is mostly for other heralds to look at and 
comment on, so don't let it confuse you too much.  The gist of what I've 
said is that although we may not be able to find any examples of 
"Greyhaven" as a surname, we may be able to present an argument that 
such a name is likely based on similar period examples we do have.

Alicia

Basil wrote:

> On 6/7/2013 5:15 PM, Runescope wrote:
>
>> I had thought so, but it was worth a shot. Fortune favours the brave 
>> and all that.
>>
>> So I believe I will go with my second choice from so many years ago.
>>
>> Do you foresee any problems with Thomas Greyhaven?  That way I don't 
>> have to change my monogramed hankies either :D
>
>
> I'm not really a names-herald, so I don't know if Greyhaven is 
> allowable or not. Thomas wouldn't be a problem, of course.
>
> I hope someone who's better at name than me will now step forward.....
>
>
> ~~Basil Dragonstrike
>
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From mhood at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 12 15:41:46 2013
From: mhood at shaw.ca (Mark Hood)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:41:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Heraldic contact page
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Hey Heralds!

I've been asked to bring back an old heraldic contact page, but most of the old information was dramatically out of date.  So, I'm rebuilding it!  This is a place where people can go to look for heralds to help them out.  Do they want to talk to a book herald in their branch?  Are they looking for a voice herald locally?  This is where to go.

If you want to be included, send me your name and contact info, what you like to do in the world of heraldry, and your local branch.  If you can include a graphic of your heraldry and perhaps a face to put a name to, even better.  (I can adjust to size.)

Here we are to start...

http://heralds.tirrigh.org/mischeralds.php

Send to lynx at tirrigh.org


In Service,
Uilliam, Lynx Herald




From youngrocketsamurai at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 14:49:46 2013
From: youngrocketsamurai at gmail.com (Michael Chorney)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:49:46 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] New Hafoc Herald
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I would like you all to join me in welcoming our new Hafoc Herald, HL Hra?i
inn rakki, who has apparently taken leave of his senses and actually
volunteered to take on this office (Hra?i, you do know this means actually
working with ME, right?)

With his extensive heraldic experience and his ability to lift heavy
objects, Hra?i will be a great asset to the College and the Principality.

Let us welcome our new Hafoc Herald with a joyful electronic noise.

Zoufla!



In Service,
Vladimir Silver Yale
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From garetdoiron at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 15:37:20 2013
From: garetdoiron at gmail.com (David Sharpe)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:37:20 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] New Hafoc Herald
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Woot for heavy object lifting!  Congratulations mate!

G


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Michael Chorney <
youngrocketsamurai at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would like you all to join me in welcoming our new Hafoc Herald, HL
> Hra?i inn rakki, who has apparently taken leave of his senses and actually
> volunteered to take on this office (Hra?i, you do know this means actually
> working with ME, right?)
>
> With his extensive heraldic experience and his ability to lift heavy
> objects, Hra?i will be a great asset to the College and the Principality.
>
> Let us welcome our new Hafoc Herald with a joyful electronic noise.
>
> Zoufla!
>
>
>
> In Service,
> Vladimir Silver Yale
>
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From Caitrina at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 17 16:38:23 2013
From: Caitrina at shaw.ca (Caitrina inghean Aindriasa)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:38:23 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] New Hafoc Herald
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Huzzah!  Welcome back Hra?i!

Caitrina

On 6/17/2013 2:49 PM, Michael Chorney wrote:
> I would like you all to join me in welcoming our new Hafoc Herald, HL 
> Hra?i inn rakki, who has apparently taken leave of his senses and 
> actually volunteered to take on this office (Hra?i, you do know this 
> means actually working with ME, right?)
>
> With his extensive heraldic experience and his ability to lift heavy 
> objects, Hra?i will be a great asset to the College and the Principality.
>
> Let us welcome our new Hafoc Herald with a joyful electronic noise.
>
> Zoufla!
>
>
>
> In Service,
> Vladimir Silver Yale
>
>
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From archerychik at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 10:23:39 2013
From: archerychik at gmail.com (Allison Mail)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:23:39 -0700
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Collegeofheralds Digest, Vol 58, Issue 11
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Welcome Hra?i!!!

Aline Black Adderbolt

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