From bear_necessities at telus.net Thu Mar 27 03:57:03 2014 From: bear_necessities at telus.net (Morel Carr Zupanic) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 03:57:03 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Conflict Check - Bear's Head Cabossed Message-ID: Can I please get a second (maybe a third?) look at Per pale argent and sable, a black bear's head cabossed counterchanged? This one is very close, but I believe that, along with a DC for the field, I would get a DC for the complex line of division on the bear's head: Artemas Maximus - The following badge associated with this name was registered in April of 1988 (via the East): Per pale indented ermine and counter-ermine, a bear's head cabossed per pale indented sable and argent. Doireann Dechti From jdharcus at telus.net Thu Mar 27 06:59:26 2014 From: jdharcus at telus.net (Judy Harcus) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 06:59:26 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Conflict Check - Bear's Head Cabossed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53342EBE.8010209@telus.net> You also get a DC from Artemas for changing the line of division on the field. I'm not sure you would specify a 'black bear' - I think it would just be a bear's head. I didn't find any conflicts. Alicia Morel Carr Zupanic wrote: > Can I please get a second (maybe a third?) look at Per pale argent and > sable, a black bear's head cabossed counterchanged? > > This one is very close, but I believe that, along with a DC for the > field, I would get a DC for the complex line of division on the bear's > head: > > Artemas Maximus - The following badge associated with this name was > registered in April of 1988 (via the East): > Per pale indented ermine and counter-ermine, a bear's head cabossed > per pale indented sable and argent. > > Doireann Dechti > > =============================================== > Principality of Tir Righ College of Heralds mailing list > Unsubscribe: collegeofheralds-unsubscribe at tirrigh.org > Help: collegeofheralds-request at tirrigh.org, subject line "help" > (without quotes) > or http://mail.tirrigh.org/mailman/listinfo/collegeofheralds_tirrigh.org > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3722/7252 - Release Date: 03/26/14 > > From oddr at thuban.org Thu Mar 27 10:58:33 2014 From: oddr at thuban.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Oddr_=DEi=E1lfason?=) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:58:33 +0000 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] [antir-heralds] Conflict Check - Bear's Head Cabossed In-Reply-To: <53342EBE.8010209@telus.net> References: , <53342EBE.8010209@telus.net> Message-ID: <996f0437ccf04b95bef064492e5317d9@BY2PR07MB041.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Without being zoologists, I think we'd need a cant. Any structural differences are going to vary by artist, anyway, in ways that aren't heraldically significant. If the black bear species is native to Europe, you could make a stronger case, but the case would be much better if the head was in fact all black. -- Oddr ?i?lfason (JdL, WOAW, Golden Estoile) Motley Pursuivant Prot?g? to Maistreas Anderwyn na Sionain, OP Apprentice to Countess Elisabeth de Rossignol, OL OP Per saltire arrondi vert and Or. From: Judy Harcus Sent: ?Thursday?, ?27? ?March? ?2014 ?06?:?59 To: Morel Carr Zupanic Cc: An Tir Heralds, Tir Righ Heralds You also get a DC from Artemas for changing the line of division on the field. I'm not sure you would specify a 'black bear' - I think it would just be a bear's head. I didn't find any conflicts. Alicia Morel Carr Zupanic wrote: > Can I please get a second (maybe a third?) look at Per pale argent and > sable, a black bear's head cabossed counterchanged? > > This one is very close, but I believe that, along with a DC for the > field, I would get a DC for the complex line of division on the bear's > head: > > Artemas Maximus - The following badge associated with this name was > registered in April of 1988 (via the East): > Per pale indented ermine and counter-ermine, a bear's head cabossed > per pale indented sable and argent. > > Doireann Dechti > > =============================================== > Principality of Tir Righ College of Heralds mailing list > Unsubscribe: collegeofheralds-unsubscribe at tirrigh.org > Help: collegeofheralds-request at tirrigh.org, subject line "help" > (without quotes) > or http://mail.tirrigh.org/mailman/listinfo/collegeofheralds_tirrigh.org > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3722/7252 - Release Date: 03/26/14 > > _______________________________________________ antir-heralds mailing list antir-heralds at antir.sca.org http://antir.sca.org/mailman/listinfo/antir-heralds_antir.sca.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear_necessities at telus.net Thu Mar 27 12:13:41 2014 From: bear_necessities at telus.net (Morel Carr Zupanic) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:13:41 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] [antir-heralds] Conflict Check - Bear's HeadCabossed In-Reply-To: <996f0437ccf04b95bef064492e5317d9@BY2PR07MB041.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: , <53342EBE.8010209@telus.net> <996f0437ccf04b95bef064492e5317d9@BY2PR07MB041.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <7C816BBD9EB24E72A44FF802CCA4CB5F@OwnerPC> Oddr wrote: Without being zoologists, I think we'd need a cant. Any structural differences are going to vary by artist, anyway, in ways that aren't heraldically significant. If the black bear species is native to Europe, you could make a stronger case, but the case would be much better if the head was in fact all black. Alicia wrote: I'm not sure you would specify a 'black bear' - I think it would just be a bear's head. I didn't find any conflicts. ***************************************** Thank you both! I am thrilled that you found no conflicts, Alicia. The black bear is important to me, but I had assumed it was also found in Europe. Upon reading Oddr?s post, however, I checked and was wrong, so just bear?s head it is. Totally irrelevant factoid: Black is actually just the name of the species, not the colour, as black bears come in a range of colours, including white! Though the white ones (Kermodes) are limited to the coast of British Columbia, so would not be found in Europe, even if I had been correct about the black bears. Doireann Dechti -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From youngrocketsamurai at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 13:28:30 2014 From: youngrocketsamurai at gmail.com (Michael Chorney) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:28:30 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] [antir-heralds] Conflict Check - Bear's HeadCabossed In-Reply-To: <7C816BBD9EB24E72A44FF802CCA4CB5F@OwnerPC> References: <53342EBE.8010209@telus.net> <996f0437ccf04b95bef064492e5317d9@BY2PR07MB041.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <7C816BBD9EB24E72A44FF802CCA4CB5F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Looks good to me, and yeah, it would just be a bear's head. Vladimir Silver Yale On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Morel Carr Zupanic < bear_necessities at telus.net> wrote: > Oddr wrote: > Without being zoologists, I think we'd need a cant. Any structural > differences are going to vary by artist, anyway, in ways that aren't > heraldically significant. > > If the black bear species is native to Europe, you could make a stronger > case, but the case would be much better if the head was in fact all black. > > Alicia wrote: > I'm not sure you would specify a 'black bear' - I think it would just be > a bear's head. > I didn't find any conflicts. > ***************************************** > > Thank you both! I am thrilled that you found no conflicts, Alicia. The > black bear is important to me, but I had assumed it was also found in > Europe. Upon reading Oddr's post, however, I checked and was wrong, so > just bear's head it is. Totally irrelevant factoid: Black is actually > just the name of the species, not the colour, as black bears come in a > range of colours, including white! Though the white ones (Kermodes) are > limited to the coast of British Columbia, so would not be found in Europe, > even if I had been correct about the black bears. > > Doireann Dechti > > =============================================== > Principality of Tir Righ College of Heralds mailing list > Unsubscribe: collegeofheralds-unsubscribe at tirrigh.org > Help: collegeofheralds-request at tirrigh.org, subject line "help" > (without quotes) > or http://mail.tirrigh.org/mailman/listinfo/collegeofheralds_tirrigh.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear_necessities at telus.net Fri Mar 28 13:31:36 2014 From: bear_necessities at telus.net (Morel Carr Zupanic) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:31:36 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] [antir-heralds] Conflict Check - Bear's HeadCabossed In-Reply-To: References: <53342EBE.8010209@telus.net><996f0437ccf04b95bef064492e5317d9@BY2PR07MB041.namprd07.prod.outlook.com><7C816BBD9EB24E72A44FF802CCA4CB5F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <91A9D75B0F1E40AA8DE7C5FC35F9683C@OwnerPC> Vladimir wrote: Looks good to me, and yeah, it would just be a bear's head. ******************************* Thank you! Thank you all for your conflict checks and bear?s head info. I have officially submitted, and I?m very excited about this device. Doireann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear_necessities at telus.net Fri Mar 28 15:15:44 2014 From: bear_necessities at telus.net (Morel Carr Zupanic) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:15:44 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Conflict Check - Crow and Arrow Message-ID: <70465F0FB29A40E3848B272CE91A7B66@OwnerPC> I did not find a conflict, but I find that hard to believe, so would appreciate another look, please. Checking: (Fieldless) A crow close sable perched atop and sustaining an arrow azure. Yours In Service, Doireann Dechti From jdharcus at telus.net Fri Mar 28 17:56:45 2014 From: jdharcus at telus.net (Judy Harcus) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:56:45 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Conflict Check - Crow and Arrow In-Reply-To: <70465F0FB29A40E3848B272CE91A7B66@OwnerPC> References: <70465F0FB29A40E3848B272CE91A7B66@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <53361A4D.7050003@telus.net> As long as the arrow is big enough to be considered sustained, I found no conflict. Alicia Morel Carr Zupanic wrote: > I did not find a conflict, but I find that hard to believe, so would > appreciate another look, please. Checking: > (Fieldless) A crow close sable perched atop and sustaining an arrow > azure. > > Yours In Service, > Doireann Dechti > > =============================================== > Principality of Tir Righ College of Heralds mailing list > Unsubscribe: collegeofheralds-unsubscribe at tirrigh.org > Help: collegeofheralds-request at tirrigh.org, subject line "help" > (without quotes) > or http://mail.tirrigh.org/mailman/listinfo/collegeofheralds_tirrigh.org > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3465 / Virus Database: 3722/7257 - Release Date: 03/27/14 > > From bear_necessities at telus.net Fri Mar 28 19:04:44 2014 From: bear_necessities at telus.net (Morel Carr Zupanic) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 19:04:44 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Conflict Check - Crow and Arrow In-Reply-To: <53361A4D.7050003@telus.net> References: <70465F0FB29A40E3848B272CE91A7B66@OwnerPC> <53361A4D.7050003@telus.net> Message-ID: Alicia wrote: As long as the arrow is big enough to be considered sustained, I found no conflict. ************************* Wonderful, thank you! Doireann From BasilD at zoho.com Fri Mar 28 19:41:05 2014 From: BasilD at zoho.com (Basil) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 19:41:05 -0700 Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Conflict Check - Crow and Arrow In-Reply-To: <53361A4D.7050003@telus.net> References: <70465F0FB29A40E3848B272CE91A7B66@OwnerPC> <53361A4D.7050003@telus.net> Message-ID: <533632C1.50905@zoho.com> On 3/28/2014 5:56 PM, Judy Harcus wrote: > As long as the arrow is big enough to be considered sustained, I found no conflict. > > Alicia Same here: no conflict if truly sustaining. :-) ~~Basil Dragonstrike Help out, please: http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/rowanchisholm If you can't make fun of something, it's probably not worth taking seriously. -- Dante Sheperd Such a long long time to be gone, and a short time to be there. -- Robert Hunter