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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Neither am <st1:place w:st="on">I.</st1:place>
This is far from my field of expertise in the heraldic community. I’m
thinking that Lightning is a more common modifier than Rising, though, so it
may work despite the precedent that Teceangl found.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>- QSY<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> Caitrina Sable Loat [mailto:Caitrina@shaw.ca] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:39
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Quentin Martel';
collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [tirrigh-heralds]
Lightning Spear discussion</span></font><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’m not 100% sure. We would
definitely have to ensure the dictionary reference is included in our
documentation. But it’s worth a shot right? Or is that bolt?
Lightning…. Bolt…. Sorry, it’s early for me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Caitrina<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> Quentin Martel [mailto:quentin@shittimwoode.org] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 02, 2007
11:25 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Caitrina Sable Loat';
'Quentin Martel'; collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [tirrigh-heralds]
Lightning Spear discussion<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Great points!</span></font><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>According to <a
href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lightning">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lightning</a>,
lightning can be used as a noun, verb, or adjective. In it's adjective case, we
fit perfectly into the Adjective + Thing pattern listed at <a
href="http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/">http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/</a>
(Adjective + Thing - Holy Phial, Precious Blood, Pontifical Medal).</span></font><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Would that work?</span></font><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>- QSY</span></font><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'> Caitrina Sable
Loat [mailto:Caitrina@shaw.ca] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 02, 2007
10:36 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Quentin Martel';
collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [tirrigh-heralds]
Lightning Spear discussion</span></font><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>My lord Uilliam is suggesting the Stone
Spear with Stone being an adjective. (Stone, mountains… you get the
gist). Adjective + Thing does follow frequently used patterns in
accordance with the <span class=texttitle1><font face=Calibri><span
style='font-family:Calibri'>Project </span></font></span></span></font><span
class=texttitle1><font color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=DE
style='font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Ordensnamen. <a
href="http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/">http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=texttitle1><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=texttitle1><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'>Caitrina</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org
[mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Caitrina Sable Loat<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 02, 2007
10:18 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Quentin Martel';
collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [tirrigh-heralds]
Lightning Spear discussion<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’m not sure if Lightning Spear
would follow acceptable order naming practices. To me Lightning is a “thing”
and I can find no instance showing this would be acceptable. It would be
Lightning + Spear so Thing + Thing. Although infrequent, it should be
acceptable to name it Lightning & Spear but that kind of takes away from
the idea. I’ll keep looking and if anyone thinks Lightning is not a
thing let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Caitrina<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org
[mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Quentin Martel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:32
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [tirrigh-heralds]
Lightning Spear discussion<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Another thread for discussion a particular
award name to pass.</span></font><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Lightning Spear. This is to rename the
Shattered Spear. The issue there is there's no medieval precedent for a broken
weapon to be an actual award. Rather it was something you tried to avoid. I
believe that the Old Shattered Shield is passed through being passed when we
accepted all sorts of interesting things as valid documentation.</span></font><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I like Lightning Spear! It's a spear, it
fits the Tir Righ motif. The holders of it can and should be proud of it.</span></font><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Please discuss!</span></font><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>- Quentin Silver Yale</span></font><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Rosemary</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Underhill</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>
[mailto:cocinera@shaw.ca] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 01, 2007 11:46
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Quentin Martel; 'mark hood';
collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [tirrigh-heralds]
What a cool idea!</span></font><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The Lightning Spear is clear of conflict
as far as I am able to determine.</span></font><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I am also going to send the info on the
awards to our ban-Tanist Caoimhinn</span></font><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>who has emailed yesterday me asking for
the information on the awards."</span></font><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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virus found in this incoming message.<br>
Checked by AVG Free Edition.<br>
Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22
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<p><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>No
virus found in this outgoing message.<br>
Checked by AVG Free Edition.<br>
Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22
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