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One of my client's submissions was returned by Laurel for conflict -
with someone who had registered only a few months before. The Lions
Blood Herald at the time assisted me in tracking down the person (which
was a lot easier since it was recent) and we got permission to conflict
and my client's heraldry was registered. I managed to track down
someone who was in contact with the owner of conflicting heraldry in a
separate case (the owner of the heraldry being elderly and in an
institution) but although the person I contacted thought he could get
permission for me, I never did get the letter so we had to look at
something different in that case.<br>
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The older the conflicting registration, the less likely you are to
track the person down but I think it's worth a try. You could try
contacting the kingdom herald where the device was registered from and
see if they can track down the person. Try Googling the person's name
(that's how I found the second person). Sometimes you luck out and you
find them mentioned on their branch website or somewhere that lists
their local branch (which narrows the search down a lot).<br>
<br>
It should be mentioned that although many people will be quite willing
to allow you to conflict, others won't and some can't be bothered to
write a letter of permission. So you may also want to think about
other options.<br>
<br>
Good luck!<br>
Alicia le Wilfulle<br>
False Isle Pursuivant<br>
<br>
Caitrina Sable Loat wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">It's been my experience that the general practice is to work around the
conflict. I have only 3 clients that were in conflict with someone else who
we've opted to try and track the other person down for permission to
conflict. One client was successful but the other two came up against brick
walls. Mainly the person(s) they were in conflict with hasn't been seen or
heard from in 10+ years. I'm interested in hearing what experiences others
have.
Caitrina Sable Loat
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org">collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org">mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org</a>] On Behalf Of Elaine McMillan
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:51 PM
To: 'Nancy Carr Zupanic'; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org">collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org</a>
Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] General Heraldry Questions
I didn't intend to join the list. I was looking at the Tir Righ Online
Tracking System and it says "If you have any questions, please send us mail
at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org">collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org</a>"). Since I had a question, I sent the email.
Rather unexpectedly, I received an email saying I'd been added to the
list...
That aside - my question was about granting permission to conflict.
I discovered recently that a few years ago there was a submission in another
Kingdom which conflicted with my arms. As the submitter lives quite distant,
it's unlikely we'd ever be at the same event, so I would have given
permission to conflict.
Since the submitter never contacted me, I never had the opportunity.
So I was wondering how the system worked. If someone submits a device, and
it conflicts, is it standard procedure to contact the "original" and ask for
permission? Or is it more common to work with the submitter to change their
device so they can register their device?
Is there some mechanism to setup in advance that conflicts are permitted as
long as the submitter is from another Kingdom?
Regards,
Elena de Maisnilwarin
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org">collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org">mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org</a>] On Behalf Of Nancy Carr
Zupanic
Sent: August 3, 2007 12:32 AM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org">collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org</a>
Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] General Heraldry Questions
Elena wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Who do we ask about general heraldry questions? For example, about
giving permission for someone from another Kingdom to conflict with
our arms/devices?
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This list is a good place to ask general and specific questions.
As for your sample question, if someone has asked you permission to
conflict, and you would like to offer that permission, you can go to the
Laurel Education page - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/education.html">http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/education.html</a> -
where you will find a standard Letter of Permission To Conflict. It is a
good guideline letter. You would complete it with the needed info, then
send the letter to the person or their representative who contacted you
asking for permission to conflict.
Hope this helps!
Doireann
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