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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for posting Tomas </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I believe this may be a typo on the <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Laurel</st1:place></st1:City> letter. As far as
I knew, we had permission to conflict with the “Order of the Silversparre”.
Unfortunately this does not automatically assume we have permission to also
conflict with the heraldic title Silversparre Herald and we need an additional
letter to clear that conflict. Red Flame advised me of the issue at the
Symposium and it is in the works to clear conflict.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Alicia can you confirm?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Caitrina <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org
[mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces@tirrigh.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Tomas<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 14, 2010
9:02 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> (list) Tir Righ Heralds<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [tirrigh-heralds]
Question regarding the Laurel Letter</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>In the new letter that just got posted I saw this in the
returns section:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Tir Rígh, Principality of.</span></font></b>
Order name Order of the Silver Sparkes. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This is
returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Silversparre Herald</span></i>. The commenters were
agreed that there is insignificant difference in sound and appearance between
these two names. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>While the
submitters provided a letter from the King and Queen of Drachenwald permitting
this order name to conflict with <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Silversparre
Herald</span></i>, this is one of the rare cases where the letter of permission
to conflict is not sufficient to allow the order name to be registered. Current
practices allows someone owning Order of the X to use X Herald or X Pursuivant
(v. Order of the Caltrop, LoAR 10/1999, R-Ćthelmearc). The heraldic title <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Silver Sparkes Herald</span></i> also conflicts with <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Silversparre Herald</span></i>, and as permission to
conflict was not received for that title, it was returned elsewhere on this
LoAR. We cannot register <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Order of the Silver
Sparkes</span></i> to the kingdom since this would allow them to use the
corresponding heraldic title, with which they do not have permission to
conflict. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>Tir Rígh, Principality of.</span></font></b> Heraldic title
Silver Sparkes Herald. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This is
returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>Silversparre Herald</span></i>. The commenters were
agreed that there is insignificant difference in sound and appearance between
these two titles. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>I'm
afraid that I didn't quite understand why permission to conflict isn't
permission to conflict in this case. That, and I thought it would be neat
for us to start discussing things on this list <img width=19 height=19
id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.gif@01CADBF1.3C8AC890" style='float:none;
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MSNNonUserImageOrEmoticon=true>.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
The Honorable Tomas de Courcy (GdS)<br>
Arts and Sciences Defender of Lions Gate<br>
Lionsdale Webminister</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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