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<DIV>The only thing that would conflict with three roundels would be something that looks very similar to it and usually these would show up in the ordinary listed under roundels - and checking, there are some such as a moon. This is another reason to use the ordinary listings rather than the search options.</DIV>
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<DIV>As for conflicts - are your plates in pale (vertical row, one above the other) or in the default arrangement of two and one?</DIV>
<DIV>Possible conflicts: <BR>Sarra Peller: (Fieldless) Three plates conjoined one and two.</DIV>
<DIV>Alewijn van Zeebrouck: Sable, three roundels argent.</DIV>
<DIV>Colleen Elizabeth du Cassis: Vert, three plates, each charged with the Roman numeral XXX gules.</DIV>
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<DIV>However, if your roundels are in pale (which I'm guessing they may), you have one CD from the first two for the field and one for position; the third one would have ond CD for position and one for removing the tertiary charge.</DIV>
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<DIV>That's all I found but I had to do this quickly so I might have missed something.</DIV>
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<DIV>Alicia<BR><BR>May 18, 2010 11:05:19 AM, <A class=parsedEmail href="mailto:tomas@noaharney.com" target=_blank>tomas@noaharney.com</A> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Thank you. Hmm... Would Vert Three Plates pass? I can't find anything else with three plates or even three roundels. Though I suspect that's just my inexperience. Now, with Vert Three Plates that would mean that as long as I have a different primary charge than anything else it would pass, correct? Or would Vert Three Random other things conflict with me?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A class=" parsedEmail parsedEmail" title=jdharcus@telus.net href="mailto:jdharcus@telus.net" target=_blank>Judy Harcus</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A class=" parsedEmail parsedEmail" title=tomas@noaharney.com href="mailto:tomas@noaharney.com" target=_blank>Tomas</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A class=" parsedEmail parsedEmail" title=collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org href="mailto:collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org" target=_blank>(list) Tir Righ Heralds</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [tirrigh-heralds] I'll give this a try as well</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Tomas wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=midD754819ECEC64DCDBEC9AD161F6A3376@Aslan type="cite">Greetings; <BR><BR>I'm not certain that I'll submit this badge, but I felt that it was a good idea to try running it through the OandA. <BR><BR>Fieldless, on a pale vert three plates <BR>or <BR>Fieldless, on a pale vert three roundels argent <BR><BR>If I understand these two are the same. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, these are identical as a plate is a fancy way of saying roundel argent.<BR><BR>First let's check for style issues. Check the Rules for Submission VIII.5 Fieldless Style. "Fieldless armory must form a self-contained design. A fieldless design must have all its elements conjoined, like the three feathers issuinf form a crown used by the Heir Apparent to the throne of England. Since there is no field in such a design, it may not use charges that rely on the edges of the field to define their shape, such as bordures and orles, nor to cut off their ends, such as ordinaries or charges throughout."<BR><BR>So what does a pale couped look like? A saltire couped is fairly obvious - it's an X. To me, a pale couped would be the same as a billet (which is basically a tall rectangle). <BR><BR>Taking a look at the precedents, I couldn't find anything specific about allowing/disallowing a pale couped, however I did find this in the precedents of Elizabeth de Rossignol, under Fieldless:<BR>"[(Fieldless) On a billet fesswise vert, seven annulets interlaced in fess Or.] This is returned for style problems. First, a billet is a shape used for heraldic display. This appears to be a display of <I>Vert, seven annulets interlaced in fess Or</I>. As precedent notes:
<BLOCKQUOTE>We do not register fieldless badges which appear to be independent forms of armorial display. Charges such as lozenges, billets, and roundels are all both standard heraldic charges and "shield shapes" for armorial display. ...</BLOCKQUOTE>Therefore, a "shield shape" which is also a standard heraldic charge will be acceptable as a fieldless badge in a plain tincture, as long as the tincture is not one of the plain tinctures that is protected armory in the SCA. This explicitly overturns the precedent "We do not normally register fieldless badges consisting only of forms of armorial display, such as roundels, lozenges and delfs in plain tinctures, since in use the shape does not appear to be a charge, but rather the field itself" (LoAR January 1998).Note that this does not change our long-standing policy about such "shield shape" charges used in fieldless badges if the tincture is not plain (thus, divided or with a field treatment), or if the charge is itself charged. Such armory will continue to be returned for the appearance of an independent form of armorial display.[Solveig Throndardottir, 04/02, A-Æthelmearc] [<B>Brion Gennadyevich Gorodin</B>, <A href="http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2005/07/05-07lar.html" target=_blank>07/05</A>, R-Trimaris]"<BR><BR>So I suspect that your proposed badge would be considered the same as "Vert, three plates".<BR><BR>Maybe Teceangl or someone can find additional information on this.<BR><BR>Alicia<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=midD754819ECEC64DCDBEC9AD161F6A3376@Aslan type="cite"><BR>Now, I get one CD for being fieldless. I have a CD against anything with a different primary charge (pale vert). Now if I understand this then, even though fieldless is a tincture difference I also have a CD against other tinctures of Pale. So anything that was pale sable etc does not conflict. <BR><BR>So I'm looking for other pale verts with secondary or tertiary charges. <BR><BR> Argent semy of oak leaves, on a pale vert a fleur-de-lys Or. <BR> Argent semy of strawberry leaves, on a pale vert, a wolf salient argent. <BR> Argent semy-de-lys azure, on a pale vert a Celtic cross argent. <BR> Argent, on a pale vert a crescent above three acorns Or. <BR>There are a number of these that are similar, but am I correct in thinking that by having a different tertiary charge I have a CD? <BR><BR> Argent, on a pale vert between in chief two wolves combattant sable three mullets Or. <BR>There are also a number like this with charges to the sides of the pale. I assume that they would be secondary charges? As long as they don't have the same tertiary charge as mine I am totally fine, correct? <BR><BR>Am I missing anything? <BR><BR>-TdC <BR><BR>=============================================== <BR>Principality of Tir Righ College of Heralds mailing list <BR>Unsubscribe: <A class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated parsedEmail parsedEmail" href="mailto:collegeofheralds-unsubscribe@tirrigh.org" target=_blank>collegeofheralds-unsubscribe@tirrigh.org</A> <BR> Help: <A class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated parsedEmail parsedEmail" href="mailto:collegeofheralds-request@tirrigh.org" target=_blank>collegeofheralds-request@tirrigh.org</A>, subject line "help" (without quotes) <BR>or <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://mail.tirrigh.org/mailman/listinfo/collegeofheralds_tirrigh.org" target=_blank>http://mail.tirrigh.org/mailman/listinfo/collegeofheralds_tirrigh.org</A> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></html>