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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Thank you. Hmm... Would Vert Three Plates
pass? I can't find anything else with three plates or even three
roundels. Though I suspect that's just my inexperience. Now, with
Vert Three Plates that would mean that as long as I have a different primary
charge than anything else it would pass, correct? Or would Vert Three
Random other things conflict with me?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>-TdC</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jdharcus@telus.net
href="mailto:jdharcus@telus.net">Judy Harcus</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=tomas@noaharney.com
href="mailto:tomas@noaharney.com">Tomas</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org
href="mailto:collegeofheralds@tirrigh.org">(list) Tir Righ Heralds</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [tirrigh-heralds] I'll give this a try as
well</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Tomas wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=midD754819ECEC64DCDBEC9AD161F6A3376@Aslan
type="cite">Greetings; <BR><BR>I'm not certain that I'll submit this badge,
but I felt that it was a good idea to try running it through the OandA.
<BR><BR>Fieldless, on a pale vert three plates <BR>or <BR>Fieldless, on a pale
vert three roundels argent <BR><BR>If I understand these two are the same.
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, these are identical as a plate is a fancy way of saying
roundel argent.<BR><BR>First let's check for style issues. Check the Rules
for Submission VIII.5 Fieldless Style. "Fieldless armory must form a
self-contained design. A fieldless design must have all its elements
conjoined, like the three feathers issuinf form a crown used by the Heir
Apparent to the throne of England. Since there is no field in such a
design, it may not use charges that rely on the edges of the field to define
their shape, such as bordures and orles, nor to cut off their ends, such as
ordinaries or charges throughout."<BR><BR>So what does a pale couped look
like? A saltire couped is fairly obvious - it's an X. To me, a pale
couped would be the same as a billet (which is basically a tall rectangle).
<BR><BR>Taking a look at the precedents, I couldn't find anything specific about
allowing/disallowing a pale couped, however I did find this in the precedents of
Elizabeth de Rossignol, under Fieldless:<BR>"[(Fieldless) On a billet fesswise
vert, seven annulets interlaced in fess Or.] This is returned for style
problems. First, a billet is a shape used for heraldic display. This appears to
be a display of <I>Vert, seven annulets interlaced in fess Or</I>. As precedent
notes:
<BLOCKQUOTE>We do not register fieldless badges which appear to be independent
forms of armorial display. Charges such as lozenges, billets, and roundels are
all both standard heraldic charges and "shield shapes" for armorial display.
...</BLOCKQUOTE>Therefore, a "shield shape" which is also a standard heraldic
charge will be acceptable as a fieldless badge in a plain tincture, as long as
the tincture is not one of the plain tinctures that is protected armory in the
SCA. This explicitly overturns the precedent "We do not normally register
fieldless badges consisting only of forms of armorial display, such as roundels,
lozenges and delfs in plain tinctures, since in use the shape does not appear to
be a charge, but rather the field itself" (LoAR January 1998).Note that this
does not change our long-standing policy about such "shield shape" charges used
in fieldless badges if the tincture is not plain (thus, divided or with a field
treatment), or if the charge is itself charged. Such armory will continue to be
returned for the appearance of an independent form of armorial display.[Solveig
Throndardottir, 04/02, A-Ęthelmearc] [<B>Brion Gennadyevich Gorodin</B>, <A
href="http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2005/07/05-07lar.html">07/05</A>,
R-Trimaris]"<BR><BR>So I suspect that your proposed badge would be considered
the same as "Vert, three plates".<BR><BR>Maybe Teceangl or someone can find
additional information on this.<BR><BR>Alicia<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=midD754819ECEC64DCDBEC9AD161F6A3376@Aslan
type="cite"><BR>Now, I get one CD for being fieldless. I have a CD
against anything with a different primary charge (pale vert). Now if I
understand this then, even though fieldless is a tincture difference I also
have a CD against other tinctures of Pale. So anything that was pale
sable etc does not conflict. <BR><BR>So I'm looking for other pale verts with
secondary or tertiary charges. <BR><BR> Argent semy of oak leaves,
on a pale vert a fleur-de-lys Or. <BR> Argent semy of strawberry
leaves, on a pale vert, a wolf salient argent. <BR> Argent
semy-de-lys azure, on a pale vert a Celtic cross argent.
<BR> Argent, on a pale vert a crescent above three acorns Or.
<BR>There are a number of these that are similar, but am I correct in thinking
that by having a different tertiary charge I have a CD? <BR><BR>
Argent, on a pale vert between in chief two wolves combattant sable three
mullets Or. <BR>There are also a number like this with charges to the
sides of the pale. I assume that they would be secondary charges?
As long as they don't have the same tertiary charge as mine I am totally fine,
correct? <BR><BR>Am I missing anything? <BR><BR>-TdC
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