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I've run into the unknown records before but usually it works the next
time I check. Try again and see if you still have the problem. It's
not showing up for me.<br>
<br>
Compass stars, compass roses, mullets and suns all have the potential
of conflicting with each other.<br>
A compass star doesn't conflict with a mullet of the default 5 points
but will with all others.<br>
Compass stars also conflict with suns, so you need to check there as
well. <br>
If the compass star is on a field, you need to check against compass
roses on the same field (you get one CD between a compass star and a
compass rose but need a second; fieldless or change of field will give
you the second one).<br>
<br>
Relevant precedents:<br>
<p>[comparing a mullet of six points vs. a compass star] There is ...
[no CD] for type of the primary charge:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>There is no type difference between the compass stars
and the mullets of six points. Because of the unusual (and non-period)
design of compass stars, with their four greater and four lesser
points, they are considered as variants of both mullets of four points
and mullets of eight points. There is no type difference between
mullets of six points and mullets of eight points and, hence, no
difference between mullets of six points and compass stars. [Brian
Sigfridsson von Niedersachsen, 07/03, R-Atenveldt]</p>
</blockquote>
<p>[Mara Sutherland, LoAR 10/2004, Meridies-R]<br>
</p>
<>[<i>mullets vs. compass stars</i>] ... a second CD between the
default mullets of five points and compass stars. RfS X.4.e states that
"A charge not used in period armory will be considered different in
type if its shape in normal depiction is significantly different."
Compass stars are not used in period armory and thus must be compared
with mullets of five points on visual grounds. They have sufficient
visual difference to be given a CD. [<b>Asad de Barcelona</b>, <a
href="http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2003/10/03-10lar.html">10/03</a>,
A-Æthelmearc]<br>
<br>
[there's ...no difference between suns and
multi-pointed mullets --- which includes compass stars" [Friedrich
von Rabenstein, 6/93, R-Caid] <br>
</><br>
Precedent holds that a compass star within an annulet has no difference
from a compass rose: "There is no difference given between a compass
rose and a compass star within an annulet" (LoAR June 2000).<br>
<br>
You may also want to note:<br>
... there is no difference between a compass star and a riven star per
the LoAR of April 2001. [<b>Iamys of Loch Cairn</b>, <a
href="http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/01/02-01lar.html">01/02</a>,
R-Meridies]<br>
<br>
Alicia<br>
<br>
Wulfstan Hrafnsson wrote:<br>
<blockquote
cite="midAANLkTikxPB8rtwoVhIOse7yGWhcCtD2d_zKAitMqoNWu@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi all,<br>
<br>
Insomnia tonight turned into a chance to get some work done. I'm
running a conflict check for a lady who would like to submit the
following device:<br>
<br>
Azure, three compass stars and a chief triangular Or.<br>
<br>
I decided to work on the stars first, and looked under "Star - Compass
Star", which referred me to "Mullet".<br>
<br>
Looking under "Mullet - Or" (including Charged and Uncharged, 1, 2 and
3, and sole- and group primary and secondary) invariably brought me a
long list of "unknown record" entries with what looked like fragments
of blazon terms and a handful of readable entries. I'm not sure what
to do with these unknown records, how to get past them, or what, if
anything, they mean. So I'm stumped for the moment on that one.<br>
<br>
She would also like to submit as a badge:<br>
<br>
Azure, a compass star Or.<br>
<br>
But sadly, it's taken:<br>
<ul>
<li><a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/oanda_name.cgi?p=Paul%20of%20Sunriver">Paul
of Sunriver</a>
<ul>
<li>The following device associated with this name was
registered <a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/oanda_date.cgi?y1=1982&m1=August&y2=1982&m2=August&kW=checked">in
August of 1982 (via the West)</a>:<br>
<b><a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=azure">Azure</a>,
a <a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=compass+star">compass
star</a> <a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=Or">Or</a>.</b></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
Alternately, we'd talked about a fieldless compass star Or, but as far
as I can see that's still only 1 CD from the above. Maybe doable with
a 'permission to conflict' letter if we can track the gentle down?<br>
<br>
I've also suggested (just tonight):<br>
<br>
(Fieldless), a compass star per pale azure and Or.<br>
<br>
I think that should get past the nearest similarity I found:<br>
<br>
<ul>
<li><a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/oanda_name.cgi?p=Jaida%20bint%20Salim">Jaida
bint Salim</a>
<ul>
<li>The following badge associated with this name was
registered <a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/oanda_date.cgi?y1=2002&m1=January&y2=2002&m2=January&kM=checked">in
January of 2002 (via the Middle)</a>:<br>
<b>(<a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=fieldless">Fieldless</a>)
A <a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=mullet">mullet</a>
<a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=per+pale">per
pale</a> <a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=azure">azure</a>
and <a
href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=vert">vert</a></b></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
(1 CD for fieldless, 1 CD for 50% or more tincture difference)<br>
<br>
I've also suggested a different tincture division (per fess or per
bend) to hopefully get another CD as a buffer.<br>
<br>
Thoughts - especially on all those "unknown records" would be
appreciated.<br>
<br>
Wulfstan<br>
<br>
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