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The ship could be designated instead as a 'caravel'.<br>
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Alicia<br>
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Morel Carr Zupanic wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="3">Wow, thank you so much! I will try
to get more info on her name tomorrow. As pathetic as it may be, I am
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<div><font face="Arial" size="3">Dori</font></div>
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device "Or, a ship in full sail between three cinquefoil vert all
within a double tressure sable" appears to be clear.<br>
As far as I can tell, it's clear without the tressure as well (there
are very few vert ships).<br>
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As for the name - <br>
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Appendix A of SENA says double given names are found in Italian names,
so that's no problem.<br>
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Documenting Alessandra is fairly easy. It can be found in the
following documents:<br>
<span><a href="http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/italian.html">http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/italian.html</a>
Italian Renaissance Women's Names by Rhian Lyth of Blackmoor Vale (Jo
Lori Drake)<br>
</span><span><a
href="http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html">http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html</a>
Names from Sixteenth Century Venice by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith)<br>
</span><span><a
href="http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/condado/womensalpha.html">http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/condado/womensalpha.html</a>
A Listing of all Women’s Given Names from the Condado Section of the
Florence Catasto of 1427 by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith)</span><br>
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I have not found Lucianna anywhere. The closest is Lucia (found in all
three documents above) and <span>Luchina (found in the last document
above).<br>
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I have not found Giancomo but have found Giacomo (without the 'n') as a
common male given name (also Giano, </span><span>Giacomino, and
several variation).</span><span> It appears patronymic bynames were
used but I'm not clear on the syntax (Giacomino as a given names seems
to turn into Giacomini as a byname, so Giacomo might be Giacomi as a
patronymic byname) and whether it should be preceded by 'di'.
Appendix A of SENA says Italian patronymics are "</span>Marked (as <em>di
B)</em>, multi-generational, unmarked, Latinized", "Italian is
incredibly variable in period, with names from Venice, Tuscany, and the
south all significantly different", "Latinized patronymic bynames
usually are just the father's name in the genitive form, without <em>filius</em>/<em>filia"
</em>and "Family names typically modify a patronym or byname by
removing the last vowel (if there is one) and adding –i. Unmodified
forms are found as well".<br>
<span><br>
I found these in:<br>
</span><span></span><a
href="http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/condado/mensalpha.html">http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/condado/mensalpha.html</a>
A Listing of all Men's Given Names from the Condado Section of the
Florence Catasto of 1427 by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith)<br>
<span><a
href="http://www.ellipsis.cx/%7Eliana/names/italian/venicegivalpha.html">http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/italian/venicegivalpha.html</a>
Fifteenth Century Venetian Masculine Names: Given Names Alphabetically
by Sara L. Uckelman known in the SCA as Aryanhwy merch Catmael<br>
</span><span><a
href="http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/maridonna/milaneseNotaries/">http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/maridonna/milaneseNotaries/</a>
Milanese Notaries 1396-1635 by Maridonna Benvenuti</span><br>
<span><a
href="http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/name1.html">http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/name1.html</a>
LIST OF GIVEN NAMES (NAME1) FOUND IN THE TRE MAGGIORI<br>
</span><span><a
href="http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/SURNAM1.html">http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/SURNAM1.html</a>
LIST OF SURNAMES (SURNAM1) IN THE TRE MAGGIORI<br>
</span><span><br>
<a href="http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/n-names.html">http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/n-names.html</a>
A Note on Names. - Surnames. (SURNAM1, SURNAM2) says:<br>
"Surnames were often derived from patronymics (Alberti from Albero,
Capponi from Cappone, Ridolfi from Ridolfo), although this was not
automatic. The Capponi for instance, whose first prior was in 1287,
adopted a stable surname only toward the middle of the fourteenth
century. "<br>
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There is one of the De Felice Italian name books in the Tir Righ
Heraldic Library (I can't remember if it is first names or surnames - </span>Dizionario
dei [nomi or cognomi] italiani<span>). Perhaps ask Aline to check and
see if any of the names is in it, and what it says (it's in Italian so
someone may need to translate).<br>
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That's the best I can do without more information on where she found
the name elements.<br>
Alicia Red Flame<br>
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