[tirrigh-heralds] L'Etoile d'Argent renaming

[Quentin Martel]

Thank you Teceangl!

Lets hold off contacting Trimaris until we determine what we really want.

- Quentin Silver Yale

-----Original Message-----
From: collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org
[mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org] On Behalf Of Britt
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:40 PM
To: Judy Harcus
Cc: collegeofheralds at tirrigh.org
Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] L'Etoile d'Argent renaming

>  From the July 2007 Laurel Letter (returns):

Umm, Alicia?  Which LoAR was that again?  :)

>  Tir Rígh, Principality of. Order name L'ordre de l'Etoile Argente.
>
> This order name conflicts with the Order of the Argent Estoille of
Trimaris,
> registered to the kingdom of Trimaris in October, 1991. Both names contain
> descriptive elements nearly identical in sound and appearance and
identical
> in meaning (Silver Star). RFS 2.b.i and 2.b.ii. say that two non-personal
> names with the same number of descriptive elements conflict unless i)
"each
> of them contains a descriptive element significantly different from every
> descriptive element in the other", or ii) "either the order of the
elements
> or the grammatical structure of the name has changed in a way that
> significantly changes the meaning of the name as a whole." In this case,
the
> descriptive elements are identical, and the change in the order of the
> elements does not significantly change the meaning of the name as a whole.
> The kingdom name in the one order name is transparent for purposes of
> conflict. We would drop the descriptive element Argente, but the order
name
> would then conflict with Estoile Pursuivant, registered to the kingdom of
> the West in January 1982 and Order of the Estoile, registered to the
Barony
> of Winter's Gate in December 1984. We note that l'Ordre de l'Etoile
Argente
> (note that this suggestion corrects the capitalization from the submitted
> form) would be registerable if the principality of Tir Rígh obtained a
> letter of permission to conflict from the Kingdom of Trimaris.

Blinking heck.  Everyone, and I mean _everyone_ was all about no
conflict because of change of elements as per RfS V.2.b.ii. and nobody
remembered this ruling.

You're totally right, Alicia.  I was dead wrong on Argent Estoile, and
this ruling kills the French version.
Silver Estoile is still clear, though.

Want I should hassle Trimaris for permission to conflict?  Well, not
'hassle'...  Bribe with whiskey cake?

- Teceangl

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