[tirrigh-heralds] Question regarding the Laurel Letter

Tomas tomas at noaharney.com
Wed Apr 14 09:01:36 PDT 2010


In the new letter that just got posted I saw this in the returns section:

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Order name Order of the Silver Sparkes. 
This is returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title Silversparre Herald. The commenters were agreed that there is insignificant difference in sound and appearance between these two names. 

While the submitters provided a letter from the King and Queen of Drachenwald permitting this order name to conflict with Silversparre Herald, this is one of the rare cases where the letter of permission to conflict is not sufficient to allow the order name to be registered. Current practices allows someone owning Order of the X to use X Herald or X Pursuivant (v. Order of the Caltrop, LoAR 10/1999, R-Æthelmearc). The heraldic title Silver Sparkes Herald also conflicts with Silversparre Herald, and as permission to conflict was not received for that title, it was returned elsewhere on this LoAR. We cannot register Order of the Silver Sparkes to the kingdom since this would allow them to use the corresponding heraldic title, with which they do not have permission to conflict. 

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Heraldic title Silver Sparkes Herald. 

This is returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title Silversparre Herald. The commenters were agreed that there is insignificant difference in sound and appearance between these two titles. 



I'm afraid that I didn't quite understand why permission to conflict isn't permission to conflict in this case.  That, and I thought it would be neat for us to start discussing things on this list .

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