[tirrigh-heralds] Question regarding the Laurel Letter

[Caitrina many hats MacAndrew]

Thanks for posting Tomas :-)

 

I believe this may be a typo on the Laurel letter.  As far as I knew, we had
permission to conflict with the “Order of the Silversparre”.  Unfortunately
this does not automatically assume we have permission to also conflict with
the heraldic title Silversparre Herald and we need an additional letter to
clear that conflict.  Red Flame advised me of the issue at the Symposium and
it is in the works to clear conflict.

 

Alicia can you confirm?

 

Caitrina  

 

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[mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org] On Behalf Of Tomas
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:02 AM
To: (list) Tir Righ Heralds
Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Question regarding the Laurel Letter

 

In the new letter that just got posted I saw this in the returns section:

 

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Order name Order of the Silver Sparkes. 

This is returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title Silversparre
Herald. The commenters were agreed that there is insignificant difference in
sound and appearance between these two names. 

While the submitters provided a letter from the King and Queen of
Drachenwald permitting this order name to conflict with Silversparre Herald,
this is one of the rare cases where the letter of permission to conflict is
not sufficient to allow the order name to be registered. Current practices
allows someone owning Order of the X to use X Herald or X Pursuivant (v.
Order of the Caltrop, LoAR 10/1999, R-Æthelmearc). The heraldic title Silver
Sparkes Herald also conflicts with Silversparre Herald, and as permission to
conflict was not received for that title, it was returned elsewhere on this
LoAR. We cannot register Order of the Silver Sparkes to the kingdom since
this would allow them to use the corresponding heraldic title, with which
they do not have permission to conflict. 

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Heraldic title Silver Sparkes Herald. 

This is returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title Silversparre
Herald. The commenters were agreed that there is insignificant difference in
sound and appearance between these two titles. 

 

I'm afraid that I didn't quite understand why permission to conflict isn't
permission to conflict in this case.  That, and I thought it would be neat
for us to start discussing things on this list Smile emoticon.

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