[tirrigh-heralds] Question regarding the Laurel Letter

[Richenda du Jardin]

Unfortunately it is not a typo. Pelican determined that a letter of 
permission was insufficient.

I recommend appealing it.

Richenda

On 4/14/2010 4:40 PM, Caitrina many hats MacAndrew wrote:
> Thanks for posting Tomas J
>
> I believe this may be a typo on the Laurel letter.  As far as I knew, we
> had permission to conflict with the “Order of the Silversparre”.
> Unfortunately this does not automatically assume we have permission to
> also conflict with the heraldic title Silversparre Herald and we need an
> additional letter to clear that conflict.  Red Flame advised me of the
> issue at the Symposium and it is in the works to clear conflict.
>
> Alicia can you confirm?
>
> Caitrina
>
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> *From:* collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org
> [mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org] *On Behalf Of *Tomas
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:02 AM
> *To:* (list) Tir Righ Heralds
> *Subject:* [tirrigh-heralds] Question regarding the Laurel Letter
>
> In the new letter that just got posted I saw this in the returns section:
>
> *Tir Rígh, Principality of.* Order name Order of the Silver Sparkes.
>
> This is returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title
> /Silversparre Herald/. The commenters were agreed that there is
> insignificant difference in sound and appearance between these two names.
>
> While the submitters provided a letter from the King and Queen of
> Drachenwald permitting this order name to conflict with /Silversparre
> Herald/, this is one of the rare cases where the letter of permission to
> conflict is not sufficient to allow the order name to be registered.
> Current practices allows someone owning Order of the X to use X Herald
> or X Pursuivant (v. Order of the Caltrop, LoAR 10/1999, R-Æthelmearc).
> The heraldic title /Silver Sparkes Herald/ also conflicts with
> /Silversparre Herald/, and as permission to conflict was not received
> for that title, it was returned elsewhere on this LoAR. We cannot
> register /Order of the Silver Sparkes/ to the kingdom since this would
> allow them to use the corresponding heraldic title, with which they do
> not have permission to conflict.
>
> *Tir Rígh, Principality of.* Heraldic title Silver Sparkes Herald.
>
> This is returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title
> /Silversparre Herald/. The commenters were agreed that there is
> insignificant difference in sound and appearance between these two titles.
>
> I'm afraid that I didn't quite understand why permission to conflict
> isn't permission to conflict in this case. That, and I thought it would
> be neat for us to start discussing things on this list Smile emoticon.
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