[tirrigh-heralds] Question regarding the Laurel Letter

[Richenda du Jardin]

I'll be there. I'm teaching how to clear conflicts and maintain period 
style.

Richenda

On 4/14/2010 7:19 PM, Caitrina many hats MacAndrew wrote:
> Great minds think alike... Uilliam and I have been reading and re-reading it
> over and over trying to figure it out and have come to the same conclusion.
>
> Thanks so much Richenda.  Will we be seeing you at KWHSS?
>
> Caitrina
>
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> [mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org] On Behalf Of Richenda du
> Jardin
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:14 PM
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> Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] Question regarding the Laurel Letter
>
>
> Unfortunately it is not a typo. Pelican determined that a letter of
> permission was insufficient.
>
> I recommend appealing it.
>
> Richenda
>
> On 4/14/2010 4:40 PM, Caitrina many hats MacAndrew wrote:
>> Thanks for posting Tomas J
>>
>> I believe this may be a typo on the Laurel letter.  As far as I knew, we
>> had permission to conflict with the “Order of the Silversparre”.
>> Unfortunately this does not automatically assume we have permission to
>> also conflict with the heraldic title Silversparre Herald and we need an
>> additional letter to clear that conflict.  Red Flame advised me of the
>> issue at the Symposium and it is in the works to clear conflict.
>>
>> Alicia can you confirm?
>>
>> Caitrina
>>
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>>
>> *From:* collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org
>> [mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org] *On Behalf Of *Tomas
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:02 AM
>> *To:* (list) Tir Righ Heralds
>> *Subject:* [tirrigh-heralds] Question regarding the Laurel Letter
>>
>> In the new letter that just got posted I saw this in the returns section:
>>
>> *Tir Rígh, Principality of.* Order name Order of the Silver Sparkes.
>>
>> This is returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title
>> /Silversparre Herald/. The commenters were agreed that there is
>> insignificant difference in sound and appearance between these two names.
>>
>> While the submitters provided a letter from the King and Queen of
>> Drachenwald permitting this order name to conflict with /Silversparre
>> Herald/, this is one of the rare cases where the letter of permission to
>> conflict is not sufficient to allow the order name to be registered.
>> Current practices allows someone owning Order of the X to use X Herald
>> or X Pursuivant (v. Order of the Caltrop, LoAR 10/1999, R-Æthelmearc).
>> The heraldic title /Silver Sparkes Herald/ also conflicts with
>> /Silversparre Herald/, and as permission to conflict was not received
>> for that title, it was returned elsewhere on this LoAR. We cannot
>> register /Order of the Silver Sparkes/ to the kingdom since this would
>> allow them to use the corresponding heraldic title, with which they do
>> not have permission to conflict.
>>
>> *Tir Rígh, Principality of.* Heraldic title Silver Sparkes Herald.
>>
>> This is returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title
>> /Silversparre Herald/. The commenters were agreed that there is
>> insignificant difference in sound and appearance between these two titles.
>>
>> I'm afraid that I didn't quite understand why permission to conflict
>> isn't permission to conflict in this case. That, and I thought it would
>> be neat for us to start discussing things on this list Smile emoticon.
>>
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