[tirrigh-heralds] Question regarding the Laurel Letter

[Judy Harcus]

Yes, the issue is that although we have permission for our order name to 
conflict with Silversparre Herald, I neglected to ask permission for a 
heraldic title to conflict as well.  As the return mentions, if we have 
an order name registered, we are allowed to use a herald's title based 
on that whether or not we register the herald's title which creates a 
potential conflict.  Juliana and I had a discussion on the weekend about 
appealing as there appears to be grounds for this.  To be sure we could 
also request a new letter giving permission to conflict for *both* the 
order name and the heraldic title.  Given who just won Drachenwald's 
Crown Tourney, Juliana suggested that we might wish to wait another 
month or so before making this new request.  These seems a wise course 
to me.

Alicia

Caitrina many hats MacAndrew wrote:

> Thanks for posting Tomas J
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> I believe this may be a typo on the Laurel letter.  As far as I knew, 
> we had permission to conflict with the "Order of the Silversparre".  
> Unfortunately this does not automatically assume we have permission to 
> also conflict with the heraldic title Silversparre Herald and we need 
> an additional letter to clear that conflict.  Red Flame advised me of 
> the issue at the Symposium and it is in the works to clear conflict.
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> Alicia can you confirm?
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> Caitrina 
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> From: collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org 
> [mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org] On Behalf Of Tomas
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:02 AM
> To: (list) Tir Righ Heralds
> Subject: [tirrigh-heralds] Question regarding the Laurel Letter
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> In the new letter that just got posted I saw this in the returns section:
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> Tir Rígh, Principality of. Order name Order of the Silver Sparkes.
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> This is returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title 
> Silversparre Herald. The commenters were agreed that there is 
> insignificant difference in sound and appearance between these two names.
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> While the submitters provided a letter from the King and Queen of 
> Drachenwald permitting this order name to conflict with Silversparre 
> Herald, this is one of the rare cases where the letter of permission 
> to conflict is not sufficient to allow the order name to be 
> registered. Current practices allows someone owning Order of the X to 
> use X Herald or X Pursuivant (v. Order of the Caltrop, LoAR 10/1999, 
> R-Æthelmearc). The heraldic title Silver Sparkes Herald also conflicts 
> with Silversparre Herald, and as permission to conflict was not 
> received for that title, it was returned elsewhere on this LoAR. We 
> cannot register Order of the Silver Sparkes to the kingdom since this 
> would allow them to use the corresponding heraldic title, with which 
> they do not have permission to conflict.
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> Tir Rígh, Principality of. Heraldic title Silver Sparkes Herald.
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> This is returned for conflict with Drachenwald's heraldic title 
> Silversparre Herald. The commenters were agreed that there is 
> insignificant difference in sound and appearance between these two 
> titles.
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> I'm afraid that I didn't quite understand why permission to conflict 
> isn't permission to conflict in this case.  That, and I thought it 
> would be neat for us to start discussing things on this list Smile 
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