[tirrigh-heralds] Heraldic Titles for Tir Righ

[Caitrina many hats MacAndrew]

All good learning info and very informative.  I'll pass it on to the gentle
who was looking into it.  He's a newish herald who gets discouraged easily
so I won't paste the blindfolded darts part.  One of our biggest problems it
seems... people being discouraged because they think they need to know where
all the info is and how to use it before they can be considered a book
herald.  At our Heralds meeting last month there were many new people who
wanted to learn but many told me later in private messages that they felt
they were not worthy to comment on anything or put forth any ideas and so
wanted to be voice heralds.  It was a sad day for me but one I totally
understood.  It's why when I stepped down as Lions Blood I stepped away from
Heraldry for a more admin position as Chamberlain.  

Ahem, so, Vox Tempestas is out.  Does anyone on the list have ideas?  

C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Teceangl [mailto:tierna.britt at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:55 AM
To: Caitrina many hats MacAndrew
Cc: collegeofheralds at tirrigh.org
Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] Heraldic Titles for Tir Righ

> We’ve had a suggestion of Vox Tempestas Herald for our Court Herald.  The
> thinking is it is Latin for Voice of the Storm
 which would fit in
perfectly
> since the Thrones of Tir Righ are called the Storm Thrones and I
personally
> LOVE it.  But is it doable
 thoughts anyone?

Not.  First, it's too abstract and follows no period pattern for
heraldic titles.
Second, Vox isn't going to get registered in a heraldic title again,
and grandfathering would be no help since the construction is
completely difference, and An Tir released Vox Leonis anyway.

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[Vox Viverra Sum Herald] This is returned for lack of documentation of
Vox [animal reference] Sum as following examples of period heraldic
titles. I can do no better than to quote my predecessor, Master
Pietari Pentinpoika Uv, Pelican King of Arms, quoting Mistress Jaelle
of Armida, Laurel Queen of Arms, quoting Master Da'ud ibn Auda, Laurel
King of Arms:

    Grammatically the title should be Vox Maris. However, the title
has style problems as well as grammatical ones. To quote Mistress
Jaelle of Armida, Laurel Queen of Arms, quoting Master Da'ud ibn Auda,
Laurel King of Arms:

        [Artemisia, Kingdom of. Title for Vox Grypis Herald] This is
being returned for non period style. In a similar case, Master Da'ud
as Laurel said:

            "[returning Vox Draconis Pursuivant] The previous version,
Dragon's Voice Pursuivant, was returned 3/95 for failure to emulate
period models as required by RfS III.2.b.iii; translation into Latin
doesn't bring it any closer. It was suggested that it might derive
from a motto Vox draconis sum 'I am the voice of the dragon', but the
period examples noted all comprise the entire motto, and no evidence
was presented that Vox draconis sum is a reasonable imitation of a
period motto. (Caid, Kingdom of, 10/95 p. 18)"

        Barring documentation that this follows period exemplar of
heraldic titles, it must be returned. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR, June
1998)

    No such documentation was provided this time, either. [Trimaris,
Kingdom of, 06/00, R-Trimaris]

No such documentation was provided this time, either. [Trimaris,
Kingdom of, 08/01, R-Trimaris]
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[Vox Mar Herald] Grammatically the title should be Vox Maris. However,
the title has style problems as well as grammatical ones. To quote
Mistress Jaelle of Armida, Laurel Queen of Arms, quoting Master Da'ud
ibn Auda, Laurel King of Arms:

    [Artemisia, Kingdom of. Title for Vox Grypis Herald] This is being
returned for non period style. In a similar case, Master Da'ud as
Laurel said:

        [returning Vox Draconis Pursuivant] The previous version,
Dragon's Voice Pursuivant, was returned 3/95 for failure to emulate
period models as required by RfS III.2.b.iii; translation into Latin
doesn't bring it any closer. It was suggested that it might derive
from a motto Vox draconis sum `I am the voice of the dragon', but the
period examples noted allcomprise the entire motto, and no evidence
was presented that Vox draconis sum is a reasonable imitation of a
period motto. (Caid, Kingdom of, 10/95 p. 18)

    Barring documentation that this follows period exemplar of
heraldic titles, it must be returned. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR, June
1998)

No such documentation was provided this time, either. [Trimaris,
Kingdom of, 06/00, R-Trimaris]
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You're throwing darts around blindfolded in a field and hoping to hit
a dartboard with this approach. (Daniel de Lincoln calls is driving to
some random intersection when you're hungry in hopes there's a
restaurant.)
Rather than thinking up words and combinations and wondering if
they'll be plausible as heraldic titles, FIRST find out how period
heraldic titles were created. Juliana's article is _the_ place to
start, and then look through Laurel name precedents to see where
others went right or wrong so you learn from their mistakes and
successes.  THEN, armed with knowledge, work up some suggestions that
you're pretty sure are registerable.

We don't like clients who say, "I want to be Oleandra Fairieslayer of
the Purple flames, I made it up, it's my Craft name and numerically
perfect, make it period," so why are we doing that to ourselves?  We
should know better. :)

- Teceangl
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