[tirrigh-heralds] Heraldic Titles for Tir Righ

[Richenda du Jardin]

I'd suggest that you talk to people using the facebook page as a 
learning list, where links to articles can be posted and discussed. Then 
you can draw them back here for submissions and other discussions.

As for a name for the voice herald, hmmmm. White Saltire herald? You 
need the white in the title to be clear of Northshield's Saltire herald. 
I thought drawing a name from a charge on the Tir Righ's arms would be 
nice for the voice herald (and also has some marshallate connotations).

Richenda


On 4/25/2010 9:08 AM, Caitrina many hats MacAndrew wrote:
> All good learning info and very informative.  I'll pass it on to the gentle
> who was looking into it.  He's a newish herald who gets discouraged easily
> so I won't paste the blindfolded darts part.  One of our biggest problems it
> seems... people being discouraged because they think they need to know where
> all the info is and how to use it before they can be considered a book
> herald.  At our Heralds meeting last month there were many new people who
> wanted to learn but many told me later in private messages that they felt
> they were not worthy to comment on anything or put forth any ideas and so
> wanted to be voice heralds.  It was a sad day for me but one I totally
> understood.  It's why when I stepped down as Lions Blood I stepped away from
> Heraldry for a more admin position as Chamberlain.
>
> Ahem, so, Vox Tempestas is out.  Does anyone on the list have ideas?
>
> C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teceangl [mailto:tierna.britt at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:55 AM
> To: Caitrina many hats MacAndrew
> Cc: collegeofheralds at tirrigh.org
> Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] Heraldic Titles for Tir Righ
>
>> We’ve had a suggestion of Vox Tempestas Herald for our Court Herald.  The
>> thinking is it is Latin for Voice of the Storm… which would fit in
> perfectly
>> since the Thrones of Tir Righ are called the Storm Thrones and I
> personally
>> LOVE it.  But is it doable… thoughts anyone?
>
> Not.  First, it's too abstract and follows no period pattern for
> heraldic titles.
> Second, Vox isn't going to get registered in a heraldic title again,
> and grandfathering would be no help since the construction is
> completely difference, and An Tir released Vox Leonis anyway.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> [Vox Viverra Sum Herald] This is returned for lack of documentation of
> Vox [animal reference] Sum as following examples of period heraldic
> titles. I can do no better than to quote my predecessor, Master
> Pietari Pentinpoika Uv, Pelican King of Arms, quoting Mistress Jaelle
> of Armida, Laurel Queen of Arms, quoting Master Da'ud ibn Auda, Laurel
> King of Arms:
>
>      Grammatically the title should be Vox Maris. However, the title
> has style problems as well as grammatical ones. To quote Mistress
> Jaelle of Armida, Laurel Queen of Arms, quoting Master Da'ud ibn Auda,
> Laurel King of Arms:
>
>          [Artemisia, Kingdom of. Title for Vox Grypis Herald] This is
> being returned for non period style. In a similar case, Master Da'ud
> as Laurel said:
>
>              "[returning Vox Draconis Pursuivant] The previous version,
> Dragon's Voice Pursuivant, was returned 3/95 for failure to emulate
> period models as required by RfS III.2.b.iii; translation into Latin
> doesn't bring it any closer. It was suggested that it might derive
> from a motto Vox draconis sum 'I am the voice of the dragon', but the
> period examples noted all comprise the entire motto, and no evidence
> was presented that Vox draconis sum is a reasonable imitation of a
> period motto. (Caid, Kingdom of, 10/95 p. 18)"
>
>          Barring documentation that this follows period exemplar of
> heraldic titles, it must be returned. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR, June
> 1998)
>
>      No such documentation was provided this time, either. [Trimaris,
> Kingdom of, 06/00, R-Trimaris]
>
> No such documentation was provided this time, either. [Trimaris,
> Kingdom of, 08/01, R-Trimaris]
> -----------------------------------------------
> [Vox Mar Herald] Grammatically the title should be Vox Maris. However,
> the title has style problems as well as grammatical ones. To quote
> Mistress Jaelle of Armida, Laurel Queen of Arms, quoting Master Da'ud
> ibn Auda, Laurel King of Arms:
>
>      [Artemisia, Kingdom of. Title for Vox Grypis Herald] This is being
> returned for non period style. In a similar case, Master Da'ud as
> Laurel said:
>
>          [returning Vox Draconis Pursuivant] The previous version,
> Dragon's Voice Pursuivant, was returned 3/95 for failure to emulate
> period models as required by RfS III.2.b.iii; translation into Latin
> doesn't bring it any closer. It was suggested that it might derive
> from a motto Vox draconis sum `I am the voice of the dragon', but the
> period examples noted allcomprise the entire motto, and no evidence
> was presented that Vox draconis sum is a reasonable imitation of a
> period motto. (Caid, Kingdom of, 10/95 p. 18)
>
>      Barring documentation that this follows period exemplar of
> heraldic titles, it must be returned. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR, June
> 1998)
>
> No such documentation was provided this time, either. [Trimaris,
> Kingdom of, 06/00, R-Trimaris]
> -----------------------------------------------
>
>
> You're throwing darts around blindfolded in a field and hoping to hit
> a dartboard with this approach. (Daniel de Lincoln calls is driving to
> some random intersection when you're hungry in hopes there's a
> restaurant.)
> Rather than thinking up words and combinations and wondering if
> they'll be plausible as heraldic titles, FIRST find out how period
> heraldic titles were created. Juliana's article is _the_ place to
> start, and then look through Laurel name precedents to see where
> others went right or wrong so you learn from their mistakes and
> successes.  THEN, armed with knowledge, work up some suggestions that
> you're pretty sure are registerable.
>
> We don't like clients who say, "I want to be Oleandra Fairieslayer of
> the Purple flames, I made it up, it's my Craft name and numerically
> perfect, make it period," so why are we doing that to ourselves?  We
> should know better. :)
>
> - Teceangl