[tirrigh-heralds] Heraldic Titles for Tir Righ

[Richenda du Jardin]

I missed that they had Order of the Raven -- that's what I get for 
answering my e-mail before my morning cup of coffee.

Richenda


On 4/25/2010 9:54 AM, Caitrina many hats MacAndrew wrote:
> The issue isn't the Barony name but that they have registered the "Order of
> the Raven"  Order being the designator.  But in saying that, would
> permission to conflict be of any help?  Raven is a Raven and if the only
> difference between Order of the Raven and the Raven Herald is the
> designator, does permission to conflict give us enough to register in
> accordance with Rfs.V.2.b?
>
> I'm starting to look towards White Raven Herald in keeping with Tir Righ
> colours and the fact that they are very rare and carry a mutant gene... no
> offence to our present Court Herald :)  It looks to be clear.
>
> C.
>
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> Jardin
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:14 AM
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> Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] Heraldic Titles for Tir Righ
>
> On 4/25/2010 12:31 AM, Teceangl wrote:
>>> I'm not sure of the whole Heraldic Titles versus Order Names with one
> being
>>> registered so it's assumed it can be used for the other... or
> something...
>>> it's late.  But would there be an issue with us submitting Raven Herald
> as
>>> the Order of the Raven is already registered to the Barony of Raven's
> Fort
>>> via Ansteorra?
>>
>> What?  Where?
>>
>> *heqadthump*
>> I missed that entirely.  Yes, that's a problem. Designators (Shire of,
>> Order of, Herald, etc.) are transparent for purposes of conflict, so
>> they've got Raven.
>> My fault for a sloppy conflict check, I'm sorry.
>>
>
> I'm not so sure that is the case here. Given that it's Barony of Raven's
> Fort, "fort" is fulfilling the same function as "keep" in Canton of
> Border Keep. Neither "fort" nor "keep" are designators in these names,
> so they should act as a second element in the name, making it clear.
>
> I know that's clear as mud given that "Keep" and "Fort" both can act as
> designators in some names, particularly old ones.
>
> Richenda
>
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