[tirrigh-heralds] Heraldic Titles for Tir Righ

[Caitrina many hats MacAndrew]

The issue isn't the Barony name but that they have registered the "Order of
the Raven"  Order being the designator.  But in saying that, would
permission to conflict be of any help?  Raven is a Raven and if the only
difference between Order of the Raven and the Raven Herald is the
designator, does permission to conflict give us enough to register in
accordance with Rfs.V.2.b?

I'm starting to look towards White Raven Herald in keeping with Tir Righ
colours and the fact that they are very rare and carry a mutant gene... no
offence to our present Court Herald :)  It looks to be clear.

C.

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Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] Heraldic Titles for Tir Righ

On 4/25/2010 12:31 AM, Teceangl wrote:
>> I'm not sure of the whole Heraldic Titles versus Order Names with one
being
>> registered so it's assumed it can be used for the other... or
something...
>> it's late.  But would there be an issue with us submitting Raven Herald
as
>> the Order of the Raven is already registered to the Barony of Raven's
Fort
>> via Ansteorra?
>
> What?  Where?
>
> *heqadthump*
> I missed that entirely.  Yes, that's a problem. Designators (Shire of,
> Order of, Herald, etc.) are transparent for purposes of conflict, so
> they've got Raven.
> My fault for a sloppy conflict check, I'm sorry.
>

I'm not so sure that is the case here. Given that it's Barony of Raven's 
Fort, "fort" is fulfilling the same function as "keep" in Canton of 
Border Keep. Neither "fort" nor "keep" are designators in these names, 
so they should act as a second element in the name, making it clear.

I know that's clear as mud given that "Keep" and "Fort" both can act as 
designators in some names, particularly old ones.

Richenda

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