[tirrigh-heralds] Ordinary confusion

Wulfstan Hrafnsson wulfstan.hrafnsson at gmail.com
Wed Jun 2 02:11:15 PDT 2010


Hi all,

Insomnia tonight turned into a chance to get some work done.  I'm running a
conflict check for a lady who would like to submit the following device:

Azure, three compass stars and a chief triangular Or.

I decided to work on the stars first, and looked under "Star - Compass
Star", which referred me to "Mullet".

Looking under "Mullet - Or" (including Charged and Uncharged, 1, 2 and 3,
and sole- and group primary and secondary) invariably brought me a long list
of "unknown record" entries with what looked like fragments of blazon terms
and a handful of readable entries.  I'm not sure what to do with these
unknown records, how to get past them, or what, if anything, they mean.  So
I'm stumped for the moment on that one.

She would also like to submit as a badge:

Azure, a compass star Or.

But sadly, it's taken:

   - Paul of Sunriver<http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/oanda_name.cgi?p=Paul%20of%20Sunriver>
      - The following device associated with this name was registered in
      August of 1982 (via the
West)<http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/oanda_date.cgi?y1=1982&m1=August&y2=1982&m2=August&kW=checked>
      :
      *Azure <http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=azure>,
      a compass
star<http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=compass+star>
      Or <http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=Or>.*

Alternately, we'd talked about a fieldless compass star Or, but as far as I
can see that's still only 1 CD from the above.  Maybe doable with a
'permission to conflict' letter if we can track the gentle down?

I've also suggested (just tonight):

(Fieldless), a compass star per pale azure and Or.

I think that should get past the nearest similarity I found:


   - Jaida bint
Salim<http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/oanda_name.cgi?p=Jaida%20bint%20Salim>
      - The following badge associated with this name was registered in
      January of 2002 (via the
Middle)<http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/oanda_date.cgi?y1=2002&m1=January&y2=2002&m2=January&kM=checked>
      :
      *(Fieldless<http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=fieldless>)
      A mullet<http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=mullet>
per
      pale <http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=per+pale>
      azure <http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=azure>and
      vert <http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/heraldry/OandA/glossary.cgi?p=vert>*

(1 CD for fieldless, 1 CD for 50% or more tincture difference)

I've also suggested a different tincture division (per fess or per bend) to
hopefully get another CD as a buffer.

Thoughts - especially on all those "unknown records" would be appreciated.

Wulfstan
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