[tirrigh-heralds] Name and device help, please?

[Judy Harcus]

The device "Or, a ship in full sail between three cinquefoil vert all 
within a double tressure sable" appears to be clear.
As far as I can tell, it's clear without the tressure as well (there are 
very few vert ships).

As for the name -

Appendix A of SENA says double given names are found in Italian names, 
so that's no problem.

Documenting Alessandra is fairly easy.  It can be found in the following 
documents:
http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/italian.html  Italian Renaissance 
Women's Names by Rhian Lyth of Blackmoor Vale (Jo Lori Drake)
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html  Names from 
Sixteenth Century Venice by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith)
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/condado/womensalpha.html  A 
Listing of all Women's Given Names from the Condado Section of the 
Florence Catasto of 1427 by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith)

I have not found Lucianna anywhere.  The closest is Lucia (found in all 
three documents above) and Luchina (found in the last document above).

I have not found Giancomo but have found Giacomo (without the 'n') as a 
common male given name (also Giano, Giacomino, and several variation).  
It appears patronymic bynames were used but I'm not clear on the syntax 
(Giacomino as a given names seems to turn into Giacomini as a byname, so 
Giacomo might be Giacomi as a patronymic byname) and whether it should 
be preceded by 'di'.   Appendix A of SENA says Italian patronymics are 
"Marked (as di B), multi-generational, unmarked, Latinized",  "Italian 
is incredibly variable in period, with names from Venice, Tuscany, and 
the south all significantly different", "Latinized patronymic bynames 
usually are just the father's name in the genitive form, without 
filius/filia" and "Family names typically modify a patronym or byname by 
removing the last vowel (if there is one) and adding -i. Unmodified 
forms are found as well".

I found these in:
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/condado/mensalpha.html  A Listing 
of all Men's Given Names from the Condado Section of the Florence 
Catasto of 1427 by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith)
http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/italian/venicegivalpha.html 
<http://www.ellipsis.cx/%7Eliana/names/italian/venicegivalpha.html>  
Fifteenth Century Venetian Masculine Names: Given Names Alphabetically 
by Sara L. Uckelman known in the SCA as Aryanhwy merch Catmael
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/maridonna/milaneseNotaries/  Milanese 
Notaries 1396-1635 by Maridonna Benvenuti
http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/name1.html  LIST OF GIVEN 
NAMES (NAME1) FOUND IN THE TRE MAGGIORI
http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/SURNAM1.html  LIST OF 
SURNAMES (SURNAM1) IN THE TRE MAGGIORI

http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/n-names.html  A Note on 
Names. - Surnames. (SURNAM1, SURNAM2) says:
"Surnames were often derived from patronymics (Alberti from Albero, 
Capponi from Cappone, Ridolfi from Ridolfo), although this was not 
automatic. The Capponi for instance, whose first prior was in 1287, 
adopted a stable surname only toward the middle of the fourteenth century. "

There is one of the De Felice Italian name books in the Tir Righ 
Heraldic Library (I can't remember if it is first names or surnames - 
Dizionario dei [nomi or cognomi] italiani).  Perhaps ask Aline to check 
and see if any of the names is in it, and what it says (it's in Italian 
so someone may need to translate).

That's the best I can do without more information on where she found the 
name elements.
Alicia Red Flame

Morel Carr Zupanic wrote:

> Some requests have come my way, and I'm afraid that I do not have the 
> time to deal with them at the moment.  Can someone please help this 
> person out?
>
> Desired device:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/90588026@N07/
>
> The name requested is Alessandra Lucianna Giancomo, for a mid 1500s 
> Venetian persona.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Doireann
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