[tirrigh-heralds] General Heraldry Questions

[Judy Harcus]

One of my client's submissions was returned by Laurel for conflict - 
with someone who had registered only a few months before.  The Lions 
Blood Herald at the time assisted me in tracking down the person (which 
was a lot easier since it was recent) and we got permission to conflict 
and my client's heraldry was registered.  I managed to track down 
someone who was in contact with the owner of conflicting heraldry in a 
separate case (the owner of the heraldry being elderly and in an 
institution) but although the person I contacted thought he could get 
permission for me, I never did get the letter so we had to look at 
something different in that case.

The older the conflicting registration, the less likely you are to track 
the person down but I think it's worth a try.  You could try contacting 
the kingdom herald where the device was registered from and see if they 
can track down the person.  Try Googling the person's name (that's how I 
found the second person).  Sometimes you luck out and you find them 
mentioned on their branch website or somewhere that lists their local 
branch (which narrows the search down a lot).

It should be mentioned that although many people will be quite willing 
to allow you to conflict, others won't and some can't be bothered to 
write a letter of permission.  So you may also want to think about other 
options.

Good luck!
Alicia le Wilfulle
False Isle Pursuivant

Caitrina Sable Loat wrote:

>It's been my experience that the general practice is to work around the
>conflict.  I have only 3 clients that were in conflict with someone else who
>we've opted to try and track the other person down for permission to
>conflict.  One client was successful but the other two came up against brick
>walls.  Mainly the person(s) they were in conflict with hasn't been seen or
>heard from in 10+ years.  I'm interested in hearing what experiences others
>have.
>
>Caitrina Sable Loat
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org
>[mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org] On Behalf Of Elaine McMillan
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:51 PM
>To: 'Nancy Carr Zupanic'; collegeofheralds at tirrigh.org
>Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] General Heraldry Questions
>
>I didn't intend to join the list. I was looking at the Tir Righ Online
>Tracking System and it says "If you have any questions, please send us mail
>at collegeofheralds at tirrigh.org"). Since I had a question, I sent the email.
>Rather unexpectedly, I received an email saying I'd been added to the
>list...
>
>That aside - my question was about granting permission to conflict.
>
>I discovered recently that a few years ago there was a submission in another
>Kingdom which conflicted with my arms. As the submitter lives quite distant,
>it's unlikely we'd ever be at the same event, so I would have given
>permission to conflict.
>
>Since the submitter never contacted me, I never had the opportunity.
>
>So I was wondering how the system worked. If someone submits a device, and
>it conflicts, is it standard procedure to contact the "original" and ask for
>permission? Or is it more common to work with the submitter to change their
>device so they can register their device?
>
>Is there some mechanism to setup in advance that conflicts are permitted as
>long as the submitter is from another Kingdom?
>
>Regards,
>
>Elena de Maisnilwarin
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org
>[mailto:collegeofheralds-bounces at tirrigh.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Carr
>Zupanic
>Sent: August 3, 2007 12:32 AM
>To: collegeofheralds at tirrigh.org
>Subject: Re: [tirrigh-heralds] General Heraldry Questions
>
>
>Elena wrote:
>  
>
>>Who do we ask about general heraldry questions? For example, about 
>>giving permission for someone from another Kingdom to conflict with 
>>our arms/devices?
>>    
>>
>
>This list is a good place to ask general and specific questions.
>
>As for your sample question, if someone has asked you permission to 
>conflict, and you would like to offer that permission, you can go to the 
>Laurel Education page - http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/education.html - 
>where you will find a standard Letter of Permission To Conflict.  It is a 
>good guideline letter.  You would complete it with the needed info, then 
>send the letter to the person or their representative who contacted you 
>asking for permission to conflict.
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>Doireann 
>
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