[tirrigh-heralds] My Name, Device and Badge: My thoughts and findings so far - PART 2 - DEVICE

[Wulfstan Hrafnsson]

Now, I know the Cover Letters, *et c,* are the sort of thing that the
registration heralds and Laurel Sovereign of Arms and staff will review - is
it stuff that I should be including as documentation with my submission (or
would as the consulting herald doing someone else's arms)?  Or should I just
leave it for them to find, or what?
Wulfstan


On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Teceangl <tierna.britt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Reconsidering myself...
>
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Teceangl <tierna.britt at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Reminder, muchly for myself, that the design in question is:
> >>> Device: Per chevron azure and argent, two wolf's heads erased to
> sinister
> >>> argent and a Celtic harp vert.
> >
> > Which I was going to conflict check...
> >
> > Irene Murdoch Fockxworth - September of 1984 (via Atenveldt): Per
> > chevron azure and Or, two foxes' heads erased and addorsed argent, in
> > base a fleur-de-lis vert.
> > X.4.a. CD for changing the tincture of half the field (note this is
> > really the only time one should think 'half the field tincture' - when
> > the lines of division are identical).
> > Okay, nothing for turning only one head around.  We need to rely on a
> > type-only CD for that harp...
> >
> > [Per chevron throughout purpure and argent, two estoiles argent and a
> > dragonfly vert. ]
> > This device is clear of conflict with Katya Anna Sylvan, Per chevron
> > throughout purpure and argent, two compass stars argent and a fox
> > sejant gules. There is a second CD for changing the tincture of the
> > charge in base, as the basemost of a group of charges two and one is
> > considered to be half the group:
> >   After much thought and discussion, it has been decided, for purposes of
> >   X.4.d, e and h of the Rules for Submission, that the bottommost of
> three
> >   charges, either on the field alone or around an ordinary, is defined as
> >   one-half of the group...multiple changes to the basemost of three
> charges
> >   under this definition will be granted a maximum of one CVD. (CL 9/6/90
> p.2)
> > [Letia Thistelthueyt, 12/01, A-Atlantia]
> >
> > We've got it.  X.4.e. CD and clear.
>
> You have two changes to the charge in base, type and tincture.  That
> matches the precedent I cited in the other message, two changes makes
> a CD.
>
>
> > Bleyddyn ap Rhys - March of 1992 (via Caid): Per chevron azure and
> > argent, two wolf's heads erased argent and a drakkar sable.
> > We've been over this one, right?  X.4.e. CD for type change of charge
> > in base, X.4.h. CD for changing the orientation of the heads.
>
> Type and tincture change again, guaranteed CD.
>
> > Galen Ó Seanacháin - May of 2001 (via Atenveldt): Per pall inverted
> > purpure, sable, and Or, two wolf's heads erased addorsed argent and a
> > tree blasted and couped vert.
> > X.4.a. field difference.  The precedent above doesn't say squat about
> > how the field's divided when dealing with charges 2 and 1, so count an
> > X.4.e. type change CD for the charge in base.
>
> Only if I can justify a CD for a type-only change in base.  The
> tincture matches.
>
> [Argent, a fess counter-compony Or and azure between two crosses formy
> and a lozenge sable.] The October 2001 Cover Letter noted "if a
> real-world coat of arms is not considered important enough to protect
> in the SCA, a CD will certainly suffice to remove any problem of
> presumption due to the combination of name and armory." The issue of
> presumption was raised based on the combination of the byname von
> Kreuznach and the arms of Kreuznach, Argent, a fess countercompony Or
> and azure between three crosses sable. There is a single CD for
> changing the bottom most cross to a lozenge; however, as no evidence
> was presented (or found) that the arms of Kreuznach are important
> enough to protect, that CD is sufficient to allow registration.
> [Margit von Kreuznach, 12/05, A-An Tir]
>
> There!  Now it's clear.
>
> - Teceangl
> --
> KWHSS website: http://kwhss.sca.org
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://tirrigh.org/pipermail/collegeofheralds_tirrigh.org/attachments/20100513/00590e0e/attachment.htm>